Ultimate argument to Atheist?

[GodsNet]

The next post I put it in the Atheist forum of Sam Harris "The Reason Project" and it was erased 10 minute later.

Do you think this will help to fight atheism?

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Atheism: “The evolution’s mistake”.


Ok my atheist friends, think that you guys reach your goal: 7,000,000,000 person of the world are clean, God free, only secular values. What is the next steep?

1) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to do a time machine to travel from the beginning of time to the end of times”. What do you going to tell him?

a) We support you, just ask us for help and we will help you.
b) Say to him: that is impossible.

2) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to work in finding the theory of everything so we can control the universe”. What you will tell him?

a) We support you, we will help you.
b) That impossible the universe is to large

3) There will be a scientist that will say: “I will use the time machine and the control of the universe to resurrect every single person, and create a city with gold’s walls for them”. What do you going to tell him?

a) Great! We will make that our civilization goal.
b) That’s against nature; we should live maximum 100 years and then die.


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PLEASE have the courage to answer my doubts.

 

[Muad Dib]

I would support all of them, assuming they had a solid theory to back up what they were doing.


What is the purpose behind these questions? Surely you are implying that one day atheists will become as powerful as god, but more merciful because they would be nice to all the people .....

 

[Tenka]

What in the ..What?

The next post I put it in the Atheist forum of Sam Harris "The Reason Project" and it was erased 10 minute later.

Probably because it makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[exotic walrus]

Agree no sense whatsoever part.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Ok my atheist friends, think that you guys reach your goal: 7,000,000,000 person of the world are clean, God free, only secular values. What is the next steep?

That's not an explicit "goal" of mine, but I'll pretend it is.

1) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to do a time machine to travel from the beginning of time to the end of times”. What do you going to tell him?

a) We support you, just ask us for help and we will help you.
b) Say to him: that is impossible.

a) - Provided that he doesn't change the past.

2) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to work in finding the theory of everything so we can control the universe”. What you will tell him?

a) We support you, we will help you.
b) That impossible the universe is to large

a) - Provided that "controlling the universe" is done ethically.

3) There will be a scientist that will say: “I will use the time machine and the control of the universe to resurrect every single person, and create a city with gold’s walls for them”. What do you going to tell him?

a) Great! We will make that our civilization goal.
b) That’s against nature; we should live maximum 100 years and then die.

c) It's not going to be "our civilization's goal", but a private project. Remind him that there are too many people to fit inside of one city, and that gold walls are extremely gaudy and tacky. Do attempt some resurrections. Get the resurrected Fab Five to design the cities. Unresurrect them if they decide on gold walls. Only resurrect atheists, the Chosen People. Chuckle at the Christians who took the wrong side of Pascal's Wager.

I'm sorry, I just can't keep a straight face in answering these questions. I don't see any "ultimate argument", and I doubt that any of this will, or even can, happen. What is your point?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[nolongerhome]

I relent, I am no longer a non-beleiver. This thread has convinced me of the error of my ways.

 

[Legion.As.One]

1) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to do a time machine to travel from the beginning of time to the end of times”. What do you going to tell him?

c) "Sure thing..."

2) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to work in finding the theory of everything so we can control the universe”. What you will tell him?

c) I'm not sure you can control the universe with a "Theory of Everything", oh, Great and Powerful Scientist

3) There will be a scientist that will say: “I will use the time machine and the control of the universe to resurrect every single person, and create a city with gold’s walls for them”. What do you going to tell him?

c)Yeah! Let's do that! Let's resurrect every rotting corpse/skeleton, return them to original health (or even go back in time and stop people form dying in the first place!!!), put them in a big city then magically mine some gold or melt down some golden jewelry and then we'll some how paint the walls of this massive city with molten gold! What a good idea.

 

[quatona]

Do you think this will help to fight atheism?

No. Even if these were good arguments - the best thing "fight atheism" is presenting good evidence for the existence of god(s).

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Ok my atheist friends, think that you guys reach your goal: 7,000,000,000 person of the world are clean, God free, only secular values.

I don´t think you are in the position to make up my goals for me.

What is the next steep?

In order to do/have/achieve what?

1) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to do a time machine to travel from the beginning of time to the end of times”. What do you going to tell him?

a) We support you, just ask us for help and we will help you.
b) Say to him: that is impossible.

I don´t thnk "beginnng and end of time" are meanngful terms, to begin with.

2) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to work in finding the theory of everything so we can control the universe”. What you will tell him?

The "theory of everything?? Care to elaborate?"

3) There will be a scientist that will say: “I will use the time machine and the control of the universe to resurrect every single person, and create a city with gold’s walls for them”. What do you going to tell him?

"What have you been smoking?"

a)

Great! We will make that our civilization goal.

b) That’s against nature; we should live maximum 100 years and then die.

Like with your other suggestions I am wondering why I don´t get the opportunity to say what I want to say, but have to pick one of two poor answers you have worded.

 

[Legion.As.One]

Methinks, GodsNet, that you never actually met an atheist, either that or you're been barinwashed in to thinking we're all unnatural, abnomally-thinking demons unleashed from the very depths of an immoral hell. Neither myself, nor any other atheist I know would ever say these things much less think about them!
Do youself a favour and get out, meet some real people!

 

[The Nihilist]

This has been said a couple of times already, but what?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Do you think this will help to fight atheism?

Actually, I think your thought experiment will help atheism nicely. It sounds like transhumanistic speculation about how we, mere human beings living in a godless universe, might accomplish what the religious have believed that only a transcendent God could accomplish.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Faelin]

Atheism: “The evolution’s mistake”.


Ok my atheist friends, think that you guys reach your goal: 7,000,000,000 person of the world are clean, God free, only secular values. What is the next steep?

1) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to do a time machine to travel from the beginning of time to the end of times”. What do you going to tell him?

a) We support you, just ask us for help and we will help you.
b) Say to him: that is impossible.

My answer is b.

2) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to work in finding the theory of everything so we can control the universe”. What you will tell him?

a) We support you, we will help you.
b) That impossible the universe is to large

My answer is b.

3) There will be a scientist that will say: “I will use the time machine and the control of the universe to resurrect every single person, and create a city with gold’s walls for them”. What do you going to tell him?

a) Great! We will make that our civilization goal.
b) That’s against nature; we should live maximum 100 years and then die.

I'd tell them to stop being so stupid. This person sounds an awful lot like a James Bond villain. Bent on world domination, and look what always happens to them!

If the entire populace of this planet were to ever become fully atheistic (I can't see it, but never mind) would it be such a bad thing? No, not really... atheists are, on the whole, far more tolerant than some people of faith. When was the last time you ever heard of an atheist suicide bomber... or The Atheist Inquisition? No, me neither. Think of the millions that would have been spared death in so called "holy wars". Sheesh!!!

I have to say that I'm not surprised that the post was removed after ten minutes, had it been my site I would have done the very same thing.

 

[Ayersy]

To all of those, I would say "Good luck, mate. Give me a ring when you've accomplished all that, I'll buy you a beer.", knowing he'd never accomplish anything.

 

[ragarth]

Atheism: “The evolution’s mistake”.

Ok my atheist friends, think that you guys reach your goal: 7,000,000,000 person of the world are clean, God free, only secular values. What is the next steep?

1) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to do a time machine to travel from the beginning of time to the end of times”. What do you going to tell him?

a) We support you, just ask us for help and we will help you.
b) Say to him: that is impossible.

2) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to work in finding the theory of everything so we can control the universe”. What you will tell him?

a) We support you, we will help you.
b) That impossible the universe is to large

3) There will be a scientist that will say: “I will use the time machine and the control of the universe to resurrect every single person, and create a city with gold’s walls for them”. What do you going to tell him?

a) Great! We will make that our civilization goal.
b) That’s against nature; we should live maximum 100 years and then die.

1)a
2)a
3)I'm all for turning the future into an afterlife, but don't you think you'd need more than 1 city? I mean, seriously, this would take a few thousand planets just for earth alone. I also think it's silly to make such a project the entire civilization's goal, other people have desires and wants as well.

Do you think this will help to fight atheism?

No. It has no bearing on the existence or non-existence of deity, but is a rather nice (if poorly stated) q&a on the potentials of Transhumanism. I ask you: How would this prove an atheist wrong?

 

[Penumbra]

The next post I put it in the Atheist forum of Sam Harris "The Reason Project" and it was erased 10 minute later.

Do you think this will help to fight atheism?

__________________________________
Atheism: “The evolution’s mistake”.


Ok my atheist friends, think that you guys reach your goal: 7,000,000,000 person of the world are clean, God free, only secular values. What is the next steep?

1) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to do a time machine to travel from the beginning of time to the end of times”. What do you going to tell him?

a) We support you, just ask us for help and we will help you.
b) Say to him: that is impossible.

2) There will be a scientist that will say: “I going to work in finding the theory of everything so we can control the universe”. What you will tell him?

a) We support you, we will help you.
b) That impossible the universe is to large

3) There will be a scientist that will say: “I will use the time machine and the control of the universe to resurrect every single person, and create a city with gold’s walls for them”. What do you going to tell him?

a) Great! We will make that our civilization goal.
b) That’s against nature; we should live maximum 100 years and then die.


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PLEASE have the courage to answer my doubts.

I don't see an argument against atheism anywhere in there, let alone an ultimate one. It's just kind of a list of misconceptions you have about atheism.

-Lyn

 

[Chesterton]

... atheists are, on the whole, far more tolerant than some people of faith.

I have to say that I'm not surprised that the post was removed after ten minutes, had it been my site I would have done the very same thing.

 

[The Nihilist]

I think this is a good time to say that I always liked the joke about the funeral for the atheist, in which someone (presumably not an atheist), looks at the deceased and remarks "Poor (dead atheist's name). All dressed up and nowhere to go."

 

[Christian Gift Giver]

I'm confused...

 

[Isambard]

 

[Faelin]

I did say "on the whole"