UFOs/UAPs - why did the government choose now to declassify documents about such encounters?

[Gnarwhal]

I've been watching an episode of the Joe Rogan podcast (#1976 if anyone's interested) featuring James Fox as a guest. Fox is a documentary filmmaker who created The Phenomenon, a film documenting a history of UFO observations and encounters going back to the 1940s. It's interesting some of the stuff he shares on the show, and he has his own skepticism and understands everyone elses. He basically shares what he knows he's seen and heard and what he's learned from the immense amount of 'evidence' he's poured over for years for various incidents going back to 1945 or so.

As I'm watching this I'm wondering why the government decided now was the time (over the past few years) to declassify documents and records of UFO/UAP encounters. My first thought is they're hiding much more, and/or a larger revelation is inevitable and imminent.

What really stood out to me in the James Fox interview was what he said about the sightings connection to nuclear activity on Earth. He said at one point he worked with a researcher and they plotted on a map all the different points where sightings or encounters had occurred. After a days work they stood back and realized most of them had happened relatively close to the Trinity nuclear test sight. Fox notes that sightings and encounters ramped up significantly after 1945 when the US dropped the bomb on Japan. He then went on to discuss how since that time a lot of sightings have occurred over nuclear weapon sites and stockpiles, and he has this information from government officials who are in charge of such stockpiles—so presumably they're credible because you can't have delusional people guarding nuclear weapons.

I thought that was interesting because I had a conversation with a coworker of mine about something very similar. His elderly mom is ROCOR and he often takes her to meet with the bishop and they'll spend time with him, have dinner, etc. Anyway they got to talking because some mutual friends they have in the intel community have discussed the same thing: UFO/UAP sightings over nuclear missile silos. My friend, and perhaps by extension the bishop, suspect perhaps it's actually angelic activity and their appearance over nuclear silos is intended to remind us that God has the true power in the universe, not us.

Anyway, I try not to dive too deep into this stuff because I think it can be detrimental. But I also think it's worth considering, especially since our government is apparently now releasing information to the public about some of this.

So my question is two fold:

1. Do you think the UFOs are real?
2. What do you think they are? (Extra terrestrial, sentient, nonhuman creatures; experimental military technology that the government is trying to distract and misdirect the nosey public from; demonic activity)

 

[Unqualified]

Demonic activity. to distract us from Christ. If there are other worlds that Christ did not die for then Christ will be useless on earth. Our world is where Christ died, if there are other worlds that are doing better than us then what will be the good of Christ? Jesus is the best there is, there are no other worlds to replace him. It is just an excuse to walk away. An effort to disprove Him forever. Sorry no cigar. There are planets but no humanoid life. The time is short and space is big we will never get anywhere else. It’s false hope. Learn Christ now here. The time is short.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

I have a couple of trains of thought on this.

If UFOs and aliens are real, this does nothing to disprove Christianity and our Lord and our God. The Faith/Bible is about the fall and redemption of mankind; the revelation of Jesus Christ for mankind. We couldn't possibly comprehend how great our God is. Maybe he did create other worlds with other beings. Maybe they need a savior, maybe they don't. I don't at all believe in the demonic activity theory. You couldn't convince me that demons are riding around in giant created flying objects so as to be photographed or videotaped. Just like I don't believe Satan is creating dinosaur bones and burying them here and there around the earth for people to dig up to cause confusion. They're far more sinister and clever.

However, if you put a gun to my head and told me to give you a theory and if I'm wrong you'll pull the trigger, my honest theory is that government officials, people in power, and many scientists and teachers, are in fact liars. Especially the former. They lie about everything. To what end with this UFO and alien stuff? I don't know? To give the mind controlled monkeys something to focus on while they pull fast ones under our noses? We're expected to believe that we had the technology to get to the moon in the 60s but we can't replicate it a quarter of the way into the 21st century. They lie and lie and lie. We'll never know all their reasonings, but we know they do it.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I've been watching an episode of the Joe Rogan podcast (#1976 if anyone's interested) featuring James Fox as a guest. Fox is a documentary filmmaker who created The Phenomenon, a film documenting a history of UFO observations and encounters going back to the 1940s. It's interesting some of the stuff he shares on the show, and he has his own skepticism and understands everyone elses. He basically shares what he knows he's seen and heard and what he's learned from the immense amount of 'evidence' he's poured over for years for various incidents going back to 1945 or so.

As I'm watching this I'm wondering why the government decided now was the time (over the past few years) to declassify documents and records of UFO/UAP encounters. My first thought is they're hiding much more, and/or a larger revelation is inevitable and imminent.

What really stood out to me in the James Fox interview was what he said about the sightings connection to nuclear activity on Earth. He said at one point he worked with a researcher and they plotted on a map all the different points where sightings or encounters had occurred. After a days work they stood back and realized most of them had happened relatively close to the Trinity nuclear test sight. Fox notes that sightings and encounters ramped up significantly after 1945 when the US dropped the bomb on Japan. He then went on to discuss how since that time a lot of sightings have occurred over nuclear weapon sites and stockpiles, and he has this information from government officials who are in charge of such stockpiles—so presumably they're credible because you can't have delusional people guarding nuclear weapons.

I thought that was interesting because I had a conversation with a coworker of mine about something very similar. His elderly mom is ROCOR and he often takes her to meet with the bishop and they'll spend time with him, have dinner, etc. Anyway they got to talking because some mutual friends they have in the intel community have discussed the same thing: UFO/UAP sightings over nuclear missile silos. My friend, and perhaps by extension the bishop, suspect perhaps it's actually angelic activity and their appearance over nuclear silos is intended to remind us that God has the true power in the universe, not us.

Anyway, I try not to dive too deep into this stuff because I think it can be detrimental. But I also think it's worth considering, especially since our government is apparently now releasing information to the public about some of this.

So my question is two fold:

1. Do you think the UFOs are real?
2. What do you think they are? (Extra terrestrial, sentient, nonhuman creatures; experimental military technology that the government is trying to distract and misdirect the nosey public from; demonic activity)

You didn't give the option for simply being unidentified, possibly natural phenomena yet unexplained, possibly none of the above options you gave.

 

[Gnarwhal]

You didn't give the option for simply being unidentified, possibly natural phenomena yet unexplained, possibly none of the above options you gave.

I'll amend the poll. What sort of natural phenomena could they be?

 

[Gnarwhal]

Demonic activity. to distract us from Christ. If there are other worlds that Christ did not die for then Christ will be useless on earth. Our world is where Christ died, if there are other worlds that are doing better than us then what will be the good of Christ? Jesus is the best there is, there are no other worlds to replace him. It is just an excuse to walk away. An effort to disprove Him forever. Sorry no cigar. There are planets but no humanoid life. The time is short and space is big we will never get anywhere else. It’s false hope. Learn Christ now here. The time is short.

Are you saying that the existence of other populated worlds in the cosmos would somehow invalidate Christ's sacrifice? That seems to be a very finite and small view of Christ, and suggests that he couldn't be bigger than the universe he created because by your logic, a created thing (another being from another world) somehow had the power to invalidate everything he did just by existing.

But nobody's suggesting another world would "replace" him, that's an odd leap to make. Maybe there are some atheists out there who practice scientism and would fill the void in their lives where religious devotion is supposed to be with some kind of devotion to these aliens/demons/whatever they might be.

But I don't think it would move the needle at all for most believers. I mean if aliens landed in my backyard today I'd still go to Mass tomorrow because God is still the God of the whole universe and he's owed my worship. Aliens or not.

I have a couple of trains of thought on this.

If UFOs and aliens are real, this does nothing to disprove Christianity and our Lord and our God. The Faith/Bible is about the fall and redemption of mankind; the revelation of Jesus Christ for mankind. We couldn't possibly comprehend how great our God is. Maybe he did create other worlds with other beings. Maybe they need a savior, maybe they don't. I don't at all believe in the demonic activity theory. You couldn't convince me that demons are riding around in giant created flying objects so as to be photographed or videotaped. Just like I don't believe Satan is creating dinosaur bones and burying them here and there around the earth for people to dig up to cause confusion. They're far more sinister and clever.

However, if you put a gun to my head and told me to give you a theory and if I'm wrong you'll pull the trigger, my honest theory is that government officials, people in power, and many scientists and teachers, are in fact liars. Especially the former. They lie about everything. To what end with this UFO and alien stuff? I don't know? To give the mind controlled monkeys something to focus on while they pull fast ones under our noses? We're expected to believe that we had the technology to get to the moon in the 60s but we can't replicate it a quarter of the way into the 21st century. They lie and lie and lie. We'll never know all their reasonings, but we know they do it.

That's as good a guess as any. I've been suspicious that the whole thing is a psyop. Like I think the government has undertaken a lot of psyops, especially in recent years and they're all meant to make us question our sanity, question what we think we know about existence and life (take the trans movement for example, it's mean to make everyone question whether they were made correctly and are what they are). It, like election fraud, the sexual abuse scandals in the Church, the January 6th riots, are all psyops to destroy people's trust in everything they were supposed to trust.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I'll amend the poll.

Thanks

What sort of natural phenomena could they be?

If I knew then they would be 'identified' rather than 'unidentified'.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Thanks

If I knew then they would be 'identified' rather than 'unidentified'.

Would be interesting to think there could be things within our own terrestrial ecosystem that we haven't discovered yet. I know so much of the deep sea is still unknown but if there were things on the earth and in the sky that we didn't know about that'd be pretty wild.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Would be interesting to think there could be things within our own terrestrial ecosystem that we haven't discovered yet. I know so much of the deep sea is still unknown but if there were things on the earth and in the sky that we didn't know about that'd be pretty wild.

New species are found every day. New caves are found every week. And they are wrong more often than not about the weather forcast.

 

[Unqualified]

Sorry I’m in the wrong forum.

 

[LizaMarie]

I just got done reading a book a few months ago by Paul Thigpen “ extraterrestrials and the Catholic Faith.” He examines the issue from every angle including whether Christ's Sacrifice covers just us humans or a cosmic sacrifice for all created beings on other planets or were there multiple incarnations . I believe just one as there is only one Mother of God. One need not be Catholic to get a lot out of the book( I’m Lutheran)all Christians can benefit and be informed by it. I recommend this book.
I ordered the book because I’ve always been interested in this subject.
Personally, I think we are dealing with demonic/ angelic activity, along with top secret black ops crafts that maybe even civilian scientists don’t know about. Could there even be time travel? I don’t rule out that God could have created life elsewhere though. I believe there MAY be non human intelligence that comes from this earth, the unknown phenomena hinted at above, but dominion was given to human beings/ mankind. We are the crown of creation and God did become man.

 

[mourningdove~]

However, if you put a gun to my head and told me to give you a theory and if I'm wrong you'll pull the trigger, my honest theory is that government officials, people in power, and many scientists and teachers, are in fact liars. Especially the former. They lie about everything. To what end with this UFO and alien stuff? I don't know? To give the mind controlled monkeys something to focus on while they pull fast ones under our noses?

To what end, might the government start 'talking up' UFO's?
To create fear.



If they can convince Americans that America is actually being attacked by aliens, and get us all really scared ...
like in some 1960's science fiction movie ...
then ... they can declare martial law ... get us to lockdown again ... and all the rest of the story ...
and many Americans will probably 'comply'.

While I do believe UFO's are real (demonic activity) ...
I don't believe a word of what we are being told about them right now.

(And yes, UFO's do make for a very 'distracting' storyline!)

 

[LizaMarie]

Re demonic activity the goal could be deception to deceive people to accept an “alien messiah” or simply to lead people from Christ. Also a lot of abductions involve sexual experiences such as retrieving sperm and eggs-strange- mimic satanic ritual abuse.

 

[Wolseley]

I tend to lean towards the idea that they are real, but we really have no way (currently) of knowing exactly what they are. There have been too many sightings by too many credible witnesses to simply blow them off as fantasy.

Besides which, I was in the Air Force for six years, and I knew people who......knew things. I served with a guy overseas who had cross-trained out of his security specialist classification, who had actually been assigned to the Groom Dry Lake Test and Evaluation Facility---also known as "Area 51". He told me that everybody thinks there was wreckage and bodies recovered from the alleged UFO crash in Rosswell, New Mexico in 1947, but that's not so. I said, "There never were any bodies or any wreckage, eh?", and he said, "No, the bodies and the wreckage are not kept at Groom Lake; they're in a secret facility at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio."

That took me a little by surprise.

Insofar as a Christian standpoint goes, for all we know, there may be millions of different races and life forms in the universe; God is God, He can make as many different kinds of worlds and creations as He wants, and who are we to tell Him "No, you can't do that"? But that still doesn't alter or affect anything to do with the history of the human race, on this planet: we still need a Savior, and we still have our problems of Original Sin, etc. That's our situation. As for any other alien civilizations out there, that's God's business, and I am content to let Him interact with them as He sees fit, since they all ultimately belong to Him, anyway.

 

[Wolseley]

Sorry I’m in the wrong forum.

You're welcome to post in here, and to discuss and share with us, just as long as you don't try to argue against Catholicism or Catholic teaching. We don't bite.

And even if we do, we've had all our shots.

 

[chevyontheriver]

And even if we do, we've had all our shots.

Most of us anyhow. FWIW I did have rabies shots 40 years ago.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

The only shot I'll be taking is whiskey, and it'll be directly before I do bite.

 

[mourningdove~]

It's been a long time since I took a shot ...

 

[Gnarwhal]

Re demonic activity the goal could be deception to deceive people to accept an “alien messiah” or simply to lead people from Christ. Also a lot of abductions involve sexual experiences such as retrieving sperm and eggs-strange- mimic satanic ritual abuse.

That seems highly plausible. I know my ex's mom used to talk about aliens impersonating the second coming and deceiving believers into following what was essentially an antichrist type figure. Not saying I believed any of that, but she held on to a lot of those ideas.

Besides which, I was in the Air Force for six years, and I knew people who......knew things. I served with a guy overseas who had cross-trained out of his security specialist classification, who had actually been assigned to the Groom Dry Lake Test and Evaluation Facility---also known as "Area 51". He told me that everybody thinks there was wreckage and bodies recovered from the alleged UFO crash in Rosswell, New Mexico in 1947, but that's not so. I said, "There never were any bodies or any wreckage, eh?", and he said, "No, the bodies and the wreckage are not kept at Groom Lake; they're in a secret facility at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio."

That feels like the last place anyone would expect: the alien artifacts are in...Ohio.

Although I think the story I mentioned in the OP about the alleged UFOs flying over nuclear silos and affecting power may have been in Ohio. A couple of people have (separately) pointed out that they seem drawn to nuclear stockpiles and missile silos. It's as if the Trinity test, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and subsequent tests sent out some kind of signal that mankind has harnessed the atom and we're sufficiently advanced to join the interstellar community. Until they get here and still see that half the planet are a bunch of nincompoops.

Insofar as a Christian standpoint goes, for all we know, there may be millions of different races and life forms in the universe; God is God, He can make as many different kinds of worlds and creations as He wants, and who are we to tell Him "No, you can't do that"? But that still doesn't alter or affect anything to do with the history of the human race, on this planet: we still need a Savior, and we still have our problems of Original Sin, etc. That's our situation. As for any other alien civilizations out there, that's God's business, and I am content to let Him interact with them as He sees fit, since they all ultimately belong to Him, anyway.

I feel like this is the only acceptable view, because denying that anything or anyone else is out there is basically saying that God's incapable of making more. Sure it's possible he didn't want to, but by the mere fact that he's God we then have to consider that he did.

 

[Wolseley]

That feels like the last place anyone would expect: the alien artifacts are in...Ohio.

Although I think the story I mentioned in the OP about the alleged UFOs flying over nuclear silos and affecting power may have been in Ohio. A couple of people have (separately) pointed out that they seem drawn to nuclear stockpiles and missile silos. It's as if the Trinity test, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and subsequent tests sent out some kind of signal that mankind has harnessed the atom and we're sufficiently advanced to join the interstellar community.

Yeah; they seem to be drawn either to desolate areas where they can abduct people with no interference, or to nuclear and military sites where they can monitor what we're up to.

Until they get here and still see that half the planet are a bunch of nincompoops.

They probably fly through most of our neighborhoods with their doors locked.

I would.

I feel like this is the only acceptable view, because denying that anything or anyone else is out there is basically saying that God's incapable of making more. Sure it's possible he didn't want to, but by the mere fact that he's God we then have to consider that he did.

I completely agree.