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One what?I and several friends were scared to death and ran away when we saw one rising out of a swamp. People who've never seen one shouldn't belittle those who have. The ones I've seen were not Unidentified. They were real. When you have half the town observing one hovering above the tree tops - it's difficult to dismiss.
But you also believe in "aliens". You simple believe that the "aliens" are demons. Both of you believe in "aliens", you're just at odds as to their nature. The problem for both of you is that aliens, be they ET or demonic, can't be demonstrated to exist at all. You believe that they do as a matter of faith. It's part of your religion. For my part, I rate faith in aliens right up there with faith in elves or leprechauns. Believe in 'em if you must, but there's no empirical, or biblical, basis for it. Gimme some actual evidence they're there, and we can talk. "Lotsa people have seen stuff" isn't evidence of anything excvpt that many people can see.Most Christians don't spend much time studying the Bible, they spend much more time consuming Hollywood propaganda. Hence the belief in Aliens.
I consider anyone who believes in spacemen (corporeal or demonic) and flying saucers to be deceived.The MSM is now onboard with Hollywood pushing the same lies, so it's no wonder so many have been deceived.
You'll have to show me the source that 1 Enoch is quoting.It is not. Those scriptures have quotes that also appear in "Enoch".
"Unsatisfactory" for what reason? The Big Bang, the idea that the universe had a definite beginning, when if came into existence from nothing, was originally a disparaging term for the idea then held only by deists. Now that belief is accepted as fact, we seem to want to argue against it just out of long habit. Maybe we ought to learn when to recognize a victory and move on.Without going into great detail and a lengthy explanation, my questions were regarding the "big bang theory" or how the universe came into existence. Apart from the unsatisfactory answers I got on that subject,
There's no evidence that it is. The universe may be chocablock with planets that could support life that we have no clue exist. The observable universe is a pretty big shop, and we haven't even scratched the surface in learning about it.we had other clashes over why the earth is the only known planet within the observable universe which can support biological life.
There's no argument about that. A goldilocks zone is where liqud water can exist. Most of us have noticed liquid water a time or two.We were privileged to have access to the images captured by the James Webb Space Telescope. The images supported my argument that the earth is in a "Goldilocks Zone" regarding Atmospheric conditions.
That's quite an assertion. What do you base it on?The rest of the visible universe is filled with deadly radiation, no biological life can exist in such an environment.
The correct answer would have been that you didn't know what you were talking about.I asked the good Professor, why he still held on to the idea that extra terrestrial life could exist in those hostile environments. He was unable to give an answer
If you were disrupting the class with made up stuff that's what he should have done. Your opinions aren't what he's there to teach.but he did ask me to see him in his office after the lecture, where he warned me not to ever disrupt the class again.
In other words, you weren't prepared to have your youtube-based ideas challenged by what actual scientific research has revealed.I couldn't continue to swallow someone's false theories, without the opportunity to ask the uncomfortable questions.
You'll have to show me that Enoch came up with it as revelation, when so much of Enoch is absolutely and unarguably untrue.You'll have to show me the source that 1 Enoch is quoting.
Right.You can occasionally see them when looking up at night but you have to know what they look like and how they behave. They are not all the same. Some are more vicious than others. They smell like sulphur and rotten eggs. Some are tall, some are short with big heads. In fact these demons are naturally found in the stone at Dome of the Rock where Muhammad allegedly ascended to heaven from.
If you want to go for a ride - let me know if you prefer coach or first class. I'll call them down.Right.
If I can get them to haul me from here to London and back on selected Saturdays that would be very cool.If you want to go for a ride - let me know if you prefer coach or first class. I'll call them down.
But you also believe in "aliens". You simple believe that the "aliens" are demons. Both of you believe in "aliens", you're just at odds as to their nature. The problem for both of you is that aliens, be they ET or demonic, can't be demonstrated to exist at all. You believe that they do as a matter of faith. It's part of your religion. For my part, I rate faith in aliens right up there with faith in elves or leprechauns. Believe in 'em if you must, but there's no empirical, or biblical, basis for it. Gimme some actual evidence they're there, and we can talk. "Lotsa people have seen stuff" isn't evidence of anything excvpt that many people can see.
I consider anyone who believes in spacemen (corporeal or demonic) and flying saucers to be deceived.
Is it?You'll have to show me that Enoch came up with it as revelation, when so much of Enoch is absolutely and unarguably untrue.
As it has been for a couple of thousand years or so. He will return wh n it is His good pleasure, when no one expects Him.Given that the return of Jesus is near
Not that I've seen in Scripture. Got a chapter and verse on that?Wasn't the planet dominated by demons prior to the flood?
Once again, chapter and verse. What some people think is of no importance.We know that the Antichrist and fake Jesus (false prophet) are demons.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.They will control the planet.
People can find ways to believe that the veriest insanity "makes sense". What in fact does Scripture say? That's what's important.It makes sense that some of them are here now monitoring the planet. I suspect that even the Antichrist is here but hasn't been revealed yet.
Which writer? Jude? Sure, and what he gleaned from "Enoch" (which may of may not be the "Enoch" we have) served his purpose in the the context if what he was tryinbg t convey. "Enoch"? We don't know who or how many people wrote the one we have. The only consensus amongst scholars is that it wasn't written by the Enoch of Genesis. There is no question that much of it is utterly untrue. If you don't believe me read me read The Book of Heavenly Luminaries The Book of Enoch: The Book of the Courses of the Heavenly Luminaries: Chapter LXXII. suppposedly dictated by an angel. If a little leaven leavens the whole lump, then the whole lump of "Enoch" belongs in the bin with the Book of Mormon or the Urantia Book. Don't get caught in a snare like that.ISo, why quote 1 Enoch. There was a purpose, and the writer is "inspired by God".
Don't allow yourself to be sucked into a morass that it's difficult to escape. Ground yourself in the Gospels, then the rest of the New Testament. Then read Revelation. Leave beartraps like Enoch alone.To be clear, I'm only asking the question. It matters to me.
I sort of take the Dr. Heiser view of it: It was something the writers of the NT were aware of so looking at its contents can give some perspective. Kinda like if a modern preacher uses a scene from Star Wars to make a point, familiarity with the movie can strengthen my interpretation of the point he's trying to make. That's really the only way I look at it.Which writer? Jude? Sure, and what he gleaned from "Enoch" (which may of may not be the "Enoch" we have) served his purpose in the the context if what he was tryinbg t convey. "Enoch"? We don't know who or how many people wrote the one we have. The only consensus amongst scholars is that it wasn't written by the Enoch of Genesis. There is no question that much of it is utterly untrue. If you don't believe me read me read The Book of Heavenly Luminaries The Book of Enoch: The Book of the Courses of the Heavenly Luminaries: Chapter LXXII. suppposedly dictated by an angel. If a little leaven leavens the whole lump, then the whole lump of "Enoch" belongs in the bin with the Book of Mormon or the Urantia Book. Don't get caught in a snare like that.
Don't allow yourself to be sucked into a morass that it's difficult to escape. Ground yourself in the Gospels, then the rest of the New Testament. Then read Revelation. Leave beartraps like Enoch alone.
So sorry I should have checked before posting.That link just got me to a search that finds bible hub, bible gateway, etc.
You obviously don't believe that every Word in the Bible is the Word of God. So we really won't agree on anything.Which may be why almost no one agrees on what the Revelation "actually means".
I don't assume that anything is one of "those things of God" because someone with an obvious ax to grind declares it so. That's how heresies are built.
You referred to concepts that are drawn from Enoch. Enoch isn't in the Bible, and never was.
I'm sure there are.
Really? Citations, please.
True. I haven't seen a giant squid, but I'm fairly sure they exist. Citations please.
At least as good as yours, and considerably less likely to do violence to the Scripture by trying to make it support baseless beliefs.
The Word of God makes no reference to "aliens" in any sense other than "foreigners". But you're free to prove me wrong with pertinent citations. You've apparently found things in the Word of God that I doubt are actually there. Fel free to prove me wrong.
Yeah, my favorites are the 200,000,00 cavalry (or possibly dragoons, it doesn't specify) riding lion-headed, snake-tailed fire breathing mounts. Gotta be literal, right?
Yep, gotta be spacemen/demons in flying saucers there, no doubt. They probably defy the laws of Physics as well.
God's Word teaches us that, Demons or as you like to call them "Aliens" are deceiving Spirits. You can't see a Spirit unless it takes on a physical form. Spirits are super intelligent and super powerful, Satan is the most powerful creature in the universe. Man is no match for Spirits/Devils/Angels, just one of them killed 186,000 soldiers in one night so you can imagine how [powerful they are.But you also believe in "aliens". You simple believe that the "aliens" are demons. Both of you believe in "aliens", you're just at odds as to their nature. The problem for both of you is that aliens, be they ET or demonic, can't be demonstrated to exist at all. You believe that they do as a matter of faith. It's part of your religion. For my part, I rate faith in aliens right up there with faith in elves or leprechauns. Believe in 'em if you must, but there's no empirical, or biblical, basis for it. Gimme some actual evidence they're there, and we can talk. "Lotsa people have seen stuff" isn't evidence of anything excvpt that many people can see.
I consider anyone who believes in spacemen (corporeal or demonic) and flying saucers to be deceived.
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