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Old Timer said:Or how about Jerusalem being trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled..
The sword of the Spirit has many wondrous uses of the word until.. perhaps the most amazing being The LORD's own statement that He would not drink of the fruit of the vine until it was fulfilled in His kingdom.
We could ponder that for a while..
How about Israel being blinded in part until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in..
Its an interesting word isnt it? Ive often wondered if Preterists have it in their dictionary.
"until" hmmmm
being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: for I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
The Rapture - Darby's child - the belief that Christ returns, exits His church and His Spirit, and offers the end times sinners and 1/3 of the Jews an additional 3.5 - 7 years to come to repentence!
When I tell my kids to "behave until i get home" I do not mean they are to begin misbehaving once I return.
And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: for I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: for I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; that ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory
Its an interesting word isnt it? Ive often wondered if Preterists have it in their dictionary.
"until" hmmmm
Think about it..
If the SPIRIT of TRUTH shows us things to come.. and preterists have no clue as to what is coming..
Do the math...
Then perhaps we can get back to the Spirit of Truth and speak of things to come.. like the Kingdom of God.
Genesis 48:19
And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude (fullness) of nations.
Hosea 7:8
Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.
Psalm 106:35
But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.
You sure have an odd way of adding up two and two... The fact is that Jacob-Israel was reiterating to his son, Joseph, what God had earlier related to Jacob-Israel concerning BOTH Manasseth and Ephraim - that out of the seed of BOTH - Abraham's, Isaac's, and now also Jacob's -Israel's PHYSICAL seed would be greatly multiplied into various ISRAELITE nations.
And we see this multitude of PHYSICAL Israelites by the time of Joshua.
While, Hosea is a book of REBUKE from its vert first chapter to its last - AGAINST Ephraim's having gone AGAINST Moses NOT to mix with Gentiles.
I read your posts in light of that - against its simple truth - and I have to wonder what it is you are actually reading - its as if you simply do not care that you are ABSOLUTELY wrong about this issue... oh well.
I read your posts in light of that - against its simple truth - and I have to wonder what it is you are actually reading - its as if you simply do not care that you are ABSOLUTELY wrong about this issue... oh well.
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