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Originally posted by Slave2SinNoMore
mjwhite, you still won't admit that the all in 1 Tim 2:4 means "all"? I told you the greek word and what it means ("Everyone without exception"). How can you continue to deny that "all" means "all" in this case? You say that I am robbing God of the glory of my salvation by relying on "doctrine driven interpretations", but that is not the case at all. I have given you proof of that verse's meaning. But you still continue to deny it, and are in fact unable to back up your claim that "all" doesn't mean "all" in this case. Rather than me relying on "doctrine driven interpretations", it is you doing that in this case, because you can't provide biblical basis for your theory.
I turned to Jesus because the Holy Spirit spoke to me. He threw me a life vest while I was drowning. I didn't have to put the life vest on, but I did. If you want to call that "boasting", then fine. There's nothing I can do about that. But that's what happened. He offered and I accepted. Some people that receive the offer do not accept.
Originally posted by Slave2SinNoMore
For example, many have asked the Calvinists, "Why would a merciful and loving God create some to go to Hell and some to got to Heaven, leaving them no choice in teh matter?" What is the answer we overwhelmingly get? That's right - "It's a mystery of God".
But what is not a mystery is that 1 Timothy 2:4 clearly states that God desires that all men be saved. All definitely means all in this case. No one has been able to come up with any Biblical basis for believing otherwise concerning this verse, nor has anyone been able to show that the context of the verse would indicate otherwise.
What God desires doesn't always happen.
God desires that no children be murdered or sexually assaulted. But it happens all the time.
Originally posted by mjwhite
If you say you [over Jesus], let me say hahahaha! You are just one voice among many, why should any person believe you?
Originally posted by Reformationist
These examples are tragedies in our eyes. No doubt. However, how do you come to the conclusion that God is not using for good what man meant for evil? Are you telling me that you've never experienced hardship in your life that has caused you to grow closer to God? That's what the life of a Christian is all about brother. Look at Paul's life. God bless.
Originally posted by mjwhite
Dear Slavenomore,
Now if you want to believe that those who do not hear the gospel while alive will get a chance to hear it after they ar dead then that is up to you. But the biblical case for that is very slim as in slim to none. Who would be more believeable anyway? An imperfect man who sins against the very God he wants one to belive in, or Jesus himself preaching to you in the life beyond this one?
If you say you [over Jesus], let me say hahahaha! You are just one voice among many, why should any person believe you?
Originally posted by Slave2SinNoMore
I never said that God can't turn around what man meant for evil and work it for good. not once did I say that. But just because he often does that doesn't mean he "desired" the evil to happen in the first place.
Do you honestly believe that God desires that a child, any child at all be raped? I certainly don't.
Satan is the author of evil and evil thoughts, not God.
Originally posted by Slave2SinNoMore
Now, what did he preach? Did I ever say that he gave the wicked dead an opportunity to accept him? No. It is more likely that he went to the place of the dead to announce to those whose faith had been accounted as righteousness (Abraham, etc.) that the salvation work had been completed. But these people had already been justified through their faith, and were just in a "holding cell" until they could be cleansed by the blood of Jesus and thuis be allowed into God's Heaven. I never said that people would have a chance to accept God after they die. Don't put words in my mouth.
Originally posted by Reformationist
If it happens, it's His Will. If it doesn't, it's not His Will. Simple enough.
I hear the concept of "the devil made me do it" in Christian circles so often I wonder if people truly feel responsible for anything they do. Satan does tempt man, yes. But, man's being drawn away from God's righteousness is a result of man, not satan. For many people it goes something like this:
All good things are from God, and all bad things are from satan.
Believe me, it's not satan that makes us sin. If saved, it's a person responding according to their old nature. If unsaved, it's a person responding the only way they will, sinfully.
God bless.
Originally posted by humblejoe
Is this "holding cell" purgatory? Been reading C.S. Lewis?
The salvation work was ordained and done before the foundations of the world.
Originally posted by Slave2SinNoMore
No, Satan doesn't MAKE man sin, but the temptation comes from Satan.
A Christian cannot blame his sin on the old nature, because the old nature is dead in a Christian; it has been crucified.
Why do some Christians still blame their sin on "oh, it's just my old nature, my sin nature", when the Bible makes it clear that the sin nature has been crucified and is now destroyed? Rather, Christians should say "The Devil tempted me, and told me I wanted to commit this sin; he told me that my sin nature is still alive, and that I am still a slave to sin. It is a lie, but I believed the lie and sinned anyway".
The fault for committing the sin then, doesn't lie with Satan. The fault lies with the Christian, because he believed the lie and committed the sin.
But make no mistake, the temptation originated with Satan and his cohorts; it did not originate from within the Christian's spirit.
God gives us free will.
For some reason known only to God, He chooses not to step in when certain things happen.
Certain things that he does not want to happen do indeed happen.
To be frank with you, I can't believe that you actually believe that everything that happens is God's will. I just can't believe that you believe that a child being raped is God's will. That just absolutely floors me.
The salvation work was indeed ordained before the foundations of the world, but it was not completed until Christ rose from the dead.
Originally posted by Reformationist
When you say us whom do you mean? Not that it really makes that big of a difference but I'm fast figuring out that you think that our ability to make choices constitutes "free will." Please show me, WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT WE WERE, AT ANY TIME IN OUR LIVES, GIVEN FREE WILL? For that matter, where in the Bible does it say that anyone or anything has free will?
According to you it wasn't completed until you made your decision. So I guess the death of God incarnate didn't actually accomplish anything for you. It just gave you the opportunity to change something for yourself.
Originally posted by Reformationist
According to you it wasn't completed until you made your decision. So I guess the death of God incarnate didn't actually accomplish anything for you. It just gave you the opportunity to change something for yourself.
God bless.
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