Two types of Catholics

PJ76 · Sep 9, 2019

AvilaSurfer said:
It just never stops. Lol

Your welcome to leave if what I am saying is bothering you. But I would be more than happy to have a loving dialogue with you.

PJ76 · Sep 9, 2019

AvilaSurfer said:
LOLOL. Yup.

I think we can both agree, that our dialogue so far has not been very loving.

ripple the car · Sep 9, 2019

concretecamper said:
Jesus gave us the Church as THE means to save souls. How one is saved without the Church baffles me. But i am sure God can certainly make exceptions, but we cannot assume those exceptions are common otherwise the Church would not be necessary.

I hear you, Camper, and obviously, in Heaven, there is no heresy, schism, error, or pride. None at all. Which means those who make it up there, make it through Christ, and as members of His Church. How God's Divine Mercy irons this out, either at the moment of death, through Purgatory, or both, I don't know.

But I do know that if we can weep and hope for righteous / just pagans, we can and should hope that God's grace saves and reconciles to His Church those Christians who did what they could with what they had and grasped to carry their cross, and follow Christ.

Doesn't the Fatima Prayer and Divine Mercy Chaplet, to some extent, point to this?

AvilaSurfer · Sep 9, 2019

PJ76 said:
Your welcome to leave if what I am saying is bothering you. But I would be more than happy to have a loving dialogue with you.

*You’re*

AvilaSurfer · Sep 9, 2019

PJ76 said:
I think we can both agree, that our dialogue so far has not been very loving.

But it sure has been long.

PJ76 · Sep 9, 2019

AvilaSurfer said:
But it sure has been long.

I've seen longer dialogues on CF

AvilaSurfer · Sep 9, 2019

PJ76 said:
I've seen longer dialogues on CF

Nobody cares

PJ76 · Sep 9, 2019

AvilaSurfer said:
Nobody cares

I care. And I am sure other members appreciates long dialogues as well. Love one another.

AvilaSurfer · Sep 9, 2019

PJ76 said:
I care. And I am sure other members appreciates long dialogues as well. Love one another.

Well this is too annoying to continue.

PJ76 · Sep 9, 2019

AvilaSurfer said:
Well this is too annoying to continue.

Again, like I said, your welcome to leave. But I am open to have a loving dialogue with you.

AvilaSurfer · Sep 9, 2019

PJ76 said:
Again, like I said, your welcome to leave. But I am open to have a loving dialogue with you.

Your dialogue is not loving. It’s argumentative. Since there is a need to have the last word, I’ll leave.

PJ76 · Sep 9, 2019

AvilaSurfer said:
Your dialogue is not loving. It’s argumentative. Since there is a need to have the last word, I’ll leave.

Funny because that's exactly how I felt about your posts. But I will be the first to apologize since pride is a sin. Let's love one another.

PJ76 · Sep 9, 2019

I really do appreciate people on CF who are willing to take their time to have long or short dialogues.

ripple the car · Sep 9, 2019

PJ76 said:
I really do appreciate people on CF who are willing to take their time to have a long or short dialogue with me.

Keeping asking questions and dialoging, Johnny.

PJ76 · Sep 9, 2019

Gracia Singh said:
Keeping asking questions and dialoging, Johnny.

Thank you Gracia. I appreciate those kind loving words.

PJ76 · Sep 9, 2019

concretecamper said:
How one is saved without the Church baffles me. But i am sure God can certainly make exceptions, but we cannot assume those exceptions are common otherwise the Church would not be necessary.

This is great insight. Thank you for posting. It baffles me too but I am sure there are exceptions. Yes the catholic church would not be necessary if it were too common.

chevyontheriver · Sep 10, 2019

PJ76 said:
Your welcome to leave if what I am saying is bothering you. But I would be more than happy to have a loving dialogue with you.

I have to object to the thrust of much of the comments here that Protestants are not saved. It is not Catholic teaching that Protestants go to hell.

Perhaps you do not know that a priest in Boston maintained such a thing in the 1950's and HE was excommunicated for it. The case was of Father Feeney, and the excommunication was done by the Holy Office at the Vatican. We cannot maintain that Protestants go to hell. Some do, just as some Catholics will go to hell. But to say that all or even the vast majority of them go to hell is an error.

Most Protestants simply do not know that the Catholic Church is the one true Church. They grew up Protestant and have been lied to about the Church and do not know otherwise. If they did know, they would be duty bound to join the Catholic Church. Just as for me, I would not be saved if I left the Catholic Church because I do know it to be the true Church. Through many theological confusions most Protestants will not figure that out. Some do, and eventually become Catholic.

These are baptized people, whose baptisms are valid. I'm not talking about Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses, or Oneness Pentecostals. Nor about those 'baptized' in fruity made up rites that fail to mention 'Father', 'Son', and 'Holy Spirit'. But the rest who are baptized ate truely baptized into Christ and have God indwelling within them. To say they go to hell is to rob them of their baptism, which the Catholic Church says is valid and real.

You aren't getting that Protestants go to hell from the Catechism, but from a misreading of the Catechism. And it actually just confirms what many Protestants think they already know about us, that we believe they are going to hell for not belonging to our Church. We do believe that if they know our Church is the true Church they must join it. We shold be convincing them of the truths of the Catholic Church, not telling the falsehood that they are damned for not yet belonging to the Catholic Church. It isn't so.

If you want a loving dialogue with me on this matter you can begin now.

PJ76 · Sep 10, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
Most Protestants simply do not know that the Catholic Church is the one true Church.

I think most protestants do know but will not acknowledge it since they were told otherwise by another protestant. I grew up in the protestant church. I along with all my protestant friends heard the claim that Catholic Church was the one true church, but we all refused to believe it since we were told otherwise by our youth pastors.

PJ76 · Sep 10, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
If you want a loving dialogue with me on this matter you can begin now.

Thank you. I appreciate it. Looking forward to our dialogue.

PJ76 · Sep 10, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
You aren't getting that Protestants go to hell from the Catechism, but from a misreading of the Catechism.

Perhaps you are right. Would you be so kind enough to explain to me the following statements in the Catechism?

“Outside the Church there is no salvation”

"All salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is His Body."

"For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained"

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