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Two Aspects of Salvation (Believers Need to Be Concerned With):

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Because after all; if you don't walk in his light; aint nothing he can do about it.
 
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Because after all; if you don't walk in his light; aint nothing he can do about it.
God can convict a person of sin, but they have to heed that conviction. God can do things to nudge us back to Him, but we would have to ultimately come to the point back again where we have to choose to walk in the light. God does not force us to walk in the light. If that was the case, then why doesn’t God force everyone to walk in the light?
 
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If God forces some to be saved and others to not be saved, then why does God get angry at the wicked every day according to Psalms 7:11? Could not God just force those who are wicked to be saved and then no longer be angry?
 
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Why are you afraid for me. I believe in the Redeemer that's omnipotent; not impotent
Because of the insulting things you said of God that runs contrary to His Word.
 
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So your god can convict a person; but lacks the power to make that conviction stick for eternity.

Pretty sad.
 
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So your god can convict a person; but lacks the power to make that conviction stick for eternity.

Pretty sad.
Actually, the difference between us is that I believe in the Lord God Almighty who is the author of the Bible. You don’t. You believe in the god of Calvinism who is not the God described in the Holy Scriptures. It’s why you cannot refute anything that I said so far with Scripture on this point. For example: Take 2 Thessalonians 2:10. It basically says the reason why the wicked perish is because THEY received not the love of the truth that they MIGHT be saved. Then you have the story of Jonah. Jonah said that the Ninevites will be destroyed in 40 days but that did not happen. Why? Did God elect them against their will? No. God had seen that the Ninevites had turned from their wicked ways and He turned back on the wrath or Judgment He was going to bring upon them (See: Jonah 3).
 
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I didn't insult God - I insulted your perception of Him.
There is a normal and plain way to read the Bible. You insulted the GOD of the Bible in regards to the most plainest reading of the text (Which is a dangerous thing to do). You also did not offer any counter-explanation of how I was misreading it, either.
 
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Well, suit yourself; You wanna worship a Jesus who's out there "flappin in the breeze" hoping someone accepts him; be my guest.
 
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Well, suit yourself; You wanna worship a Jesus who's out there "flappin in the breeze" hoping someone accepts him; be my guest.
Again, you are not explaining any of these texts in what they actually say. Therein lies the difference between us.
 
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I'll gladly take the Jesus who can actually do something about sin.
Even if it is a fictional one not described in Scripture. Then again, if you believe otherwise, you have to prove it by Scripture. So far, the verses you brought forth for your position I have explained that it is not what you are saying.
 
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Again, you are not explaining any of these texts in what they actually say. Therein lies the difference between us.
Yeah, you got a Jesus that's impotent and I got one that's omnipotent.
You're right; that's quite the difference!
 
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Even if it is a fictional one not described in Scripture. Then again, if you believe otherwise, you have to prove it by Scripture. So far, the verses you brought forth for your position I have explained that it is not what you are saying.
I say you are misrepresenting Scripture. And you have not been able to counter what I've said.
 
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I say you are misrepresenting Scripture. And you have not been able to counter what I've said.
Just saying so does not make it so. People can read the thread for themselves and actually read the Bible on their own and see that this is not the case as you have stated here. There are many unanswered verses and points I made that you ignored.
 
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Yeah, you got a Jesus that's impotent and I got one that's omnipotent.
You're right; that's quite the difference!
Just boasting about it with no real discussion of the actual verses is like a person who beats their chest and roars the loudest is the most correct here. Sorry, you have to actually know how to wield your sword, sir.
 
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Well, suit yourself; You wanna worship a Jesus who's out there "flappin in the breeze" hoping someone accepts him; be my guest.
I worship Jesus however He is presented in Scripture, and not how I want Him to be. The real determination of who is right and wrong is about getting into the nuances of what Scripture says despite what we may think.
 
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Just saying so does not make it so. People can read the thread for themselves and actually read the Bible on their own and see that this is not the case as you have stated here. There are many unanswered verses and points I made that you ignored.
And since I believe in the sovereignty of God; He will save His people from their sin and nothing either of us say will deter that from happening!

Aren't you relived to know someone else's redemption isn't on your head?
 
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