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I gave it. Context indicates missionary and witnessing activity. And Jesus referred to the masses as "sheep without a shepherd".I read the verses. They are the same. And the context doesn't support your assertion. Maybe some exegesis from you is required.
OK, so who are the "sheep without a shepherd" in Matt 9:36 and Mark 6:34?Hebrews 13:20
New King James Version (NKJV)
that shepherd of 'the sheep'
yes, I have, by pointing out a few things that you've continued to ignore or gloss over.In fact, you haven't shown otherwise. And I gave supporting Scripture.
Hardly. He began His analogy with those who would steal, devour or deceive the sheep. Then He began His message about who He was going to die for.
Why anyone would think that Jesus was making a distinction between thieves, robbers, and wolves is really unusual. He clearly made the distinction between KIND of sheep.
#1 HIS sheep, who hear His voice (beleving Jews)
#2 OTHER sheep, who hear His voice (believing Gentiles)
#3 NOT of His sheep, who don't hear His voice (unbelievers)
You haven't refuted this.
Again, actually reading the passages BEFORE making such an error in opinion would be helpful.
But, let's get to the bottom line here. Just what did Jesus mean by "sheep without a shepherd" in those 2 passages that were apparently not reviewed?
So, what is this; theology by democracy? Please, just answer my question above. That will suffice. So far, you've ignored it.
I gave it. Context indicates missionary and witnessing activity. And Jesus referred to the masses as "sheep without a shepherd".
Would Jesus ever describe His sheep that way?
OK, so who are the "sheep without a shepherd" in Matt 9:36 and Mark 6:34?
Sheep without a shepherd hearkens back to Israel and bad shepherds who lead His people astray.36 But when He saw the multitudes, He was moved with compassion for them, because they were weary[a] and scattered, like sheep having no shepherd.
6 My people have been lost sheep.
Their shepherds have led them astray;
They have turned them away on the mountains.
They have gone from mountain to hill;
They have forgotten their resting place.
7 All who found them have devoured them;
And their adversaries said, We have not offended,
Because they have sinned against the Lord, the habitation of justice,
The Lord, the hope of their fathers.
As has been pointed out ad nauseum by FG, THE sheep mean every person who's ever lived.Hebrews 13:20
New King James Version (NKJV)
that shepherd of 'the sheep'
As has been pointed out ad nauseum by FG, THE sheep mean every person who's ever lived.
The irrelevant points did no such thing. And there is that continual dodging of questions.yes, I have, by pointing out a few things that you've continued to ignore or gloss over.
You offered to cite "many" passages about sheep that you think would support your view. So, it seems that you are.Not nobody is voting.
His disciples surely understood that Jesus viewed humanity as "sheep without a shepherd".But Jesus often used references that the Jews would understand readily. Sheep is one of them given the number of times He uses that reference.
Too much effort to look up the passages yourself?? OK.You've not even quoted the scripture. How can you say you've given context?
So, where is the evidence that the entire crowd believed in Him?They were wandering and lost sheep, His sheep, the sheep. So then He ministered unto them having compassion and mercy for the sheep who are His sheep. Who have been abandoned by hirelings, bad shepherds have abandoned the sheep.
What evidence is there that the crowds all believed in Him?Matthew 9:36
New King James Version (NKJV)
Sheep without a shepherd hearkens back to Israel and bad shepherds who lead His people astray.
I said this:
He began His analogy with those who would steal, devour or deceive the sheep. Then He began His message about who He was going to die for.
Why anyone would think that Jesus was making a distinction between thieves, robbers, and wolves is really unusual. He clearly made the distinction between KIND of sheep.
#1 HIS sheep, who hear His voice (beleving Jews)
#2 OTHER sheep, who hear His voice (believing Gentiles)
#3 NOT of His sheep, who don't hear His voice (unbelievers)
You haven't refuted this.
The irrelevant points did no such thing. And there is that continual dodging of questions.
You offered to cite "many" passages about sheep that you think would support your view. So, it seems that you are.
His disciples surely understood that Jesus viewed humanity as "sheep without a shepherd".
And I'd really like an answer to what you think Jesus meant by that phrase.
Your view is that "all sheep" are His and He died ONLY for His sheep, so why would He reference sheep without a shepherd?
Too much effort to look up the passages yourself?? OK.
Matthew 9:36
Seeing the people, He felt compassion for them, because they were distressed and dispirited like sheep without a shepherd.
Matthew 9:37
Then He said to His disciples, The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few.
Matthew 9:38
Therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out workers into His harvest.
The context here is obviously related to missionary activity and witnessing.
We don't witness to believers, but to unbelievers.
Mark 6:34
When Jesus went ashore, He saw a large crowd, and He felt compassion for them because they were like sheep without a shepherd; and He began to teach them many things.
Since Jesus Himself described the crowds as "sheep without a shepherd", and you believe that He died for the sheep, what was He referring to here?
Now, I've quoted the passages, and given context. Please answer.
Jesus died for the WHOLE WORLD, but we have to become his sheep!hammster said this:
I guess we are supposed to believe that the Shepherd who gave His life for the sheep stopped short of giving His life to actually save them. That's such a poor picture of a "good" shepherd.
Actually, to be correct, anyone can be "His" sheep. He died for the sheep, not just His sheep. That means He died for everyone, as Heb 2:9 and 2 Cor 5:14,15 actually say.
in the immediate context of John 10, where Jesus says He is the door of the sheep, please find any verse that indicates there are people who aren't sheep.
What Jesus did describe in this context:
#1 the sheep for whom He would die
#2 My sheep which hear His voice
#3 other sheep of Mine which also hear His voice
#4 not of My sheep who don't hear His voice. Doesn't say they aren't sheep, but just that they aren't His sheep.
Still sheep. And you have acknowledged that these other sheep have a chance to be saved. I believe every human being has a chance to be saved.
All sheep will be saved. Truth, unless you believe Jesus to be a bad shepherd.
We can become sheep.
We have to believe and obey.
We have to believe and repent.
Do what Jesus says to do.
He is the way.
If you do not want to do what Jesus says, it is because you love your sin more than you love His Truth.
All can become sheep.
Anyone can become thirsty.
When you are thirsty, come to the Lord.
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