Twice baptised, twice dead.

[miamited]

Hi SC,

I would also say no to both. The first baptism is not valid because someone else can't 'have' you baptized for the purpose of salvation. Yes, yes, I know there's going to be a lot of dissension on that and you'll just have to pray about it and read the Scriptures for yourself. The second, as has already been expressed is questionable because the Mormon faith itself is questionable.

I had some Mormon fellows come to my house and I invited them in and we talked and they gave me a BOM and encouraged me to pray about it and read it. I did. After a couple of visits I agreed to attend a worship service with them. There really wasn't any talk as I recall of the Scriptures. Everything was what the BOM or the Pearl of Great Price had to say.

I understand, like Muslims, they are fervent in their faith and they believe that they believe. After I attended with them, I began to question why the BOM seemed so greatly important to them over the Hebrew Scriptures. So, I began looking into where it came from. Much like the Quran, the majority of it seems to have come from 'private' visions. It teaches that Jesus came a second time to the Indians after he was crucified in Israel. For me, that begs a very serious question. Why did Jesus appear to the Indians? I've been told by a few that it was so that salvation would be available to them also. However, if Jesus needed to actually go to every tribe and nation to bring about the chance of salvation to mankind, why only the Americas? What about Australia or the Far East or the tribes in far northwest area that we today call Siberia? There are a lot of places on the globe that Paul's journeys didn't take him or, as far as we know, any of the first disciples. So, why did Jesus only visit the Americas?

The reason, I believe, is because it fit with Joseph Smith's gospel. Joseph Smith created Jesus in America so that the golden tablet story would fit.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[chriscomplex]

I like the lifest idea but I'm sad even if it's understandable that such a series of unfortunate witnesses have put you off Christ.

Don't be sad, I'm a better person for it.

 

[chriscomplex]

I see. What brought you to Christian Forums?

Because I like to talk to Christians, I also like to talk to Atheists and therefore I have an account on one of their forums.

 

[chriscomplex]

Hi SC,

I would also say no to both. The first baptism is not valid because someone else can't 'have' you baptized for the purpose of salvation. Yes, yes, I know there's going to be a lot of dissension on that and you'll just have to pray about it and read the Scriptures for yourself. The second, as has already been expressed is questionable because the Mormon faith itself is questionable.

I had some Mormon fellows come to my house and I invited them in and we talked and they gave me a BOM and encouraged me to pray about it and read it. I did. After a couple of visits I agreed to attend a worship service with them. There really wasn't any talk as I recall of the Scriptures. Everything was what the BOM or the Pearl of Great Price had to say.

I understand, like Muslims, they are fervent in their faith and they believe that they believe. After I attended with them, I began to question why the BOM seemed so greatly important to them over the Hebrew Scriptures. So, I began looking into where it came from. Much like the Quran, the majority of it seems to have come from 'private' visions. It teaches that Jesus came a second time to the Indians after he was crucified in Israel. For me, that begs a very serious question. Why did Jesus appear to the Indians? I've been told by a few that it was so that salvation would be available to them also. However, if Jesus needed to actually go to every tribe and nation to bring about the chance of salvation to mankind, why only the Americas? What about Australia or the Far East or the tribes in far northwest area that we today call Siberia? There are a lot of places on the globe that Paul's journeys didn't take him or, as far as we know, any of the first disciples. So, why did Jesus only visit the Americas?

The reason, I believe, is because it fit with Joseph Smith's gospel. Joseph Smith created Jesus in America so that the golden tablet story would fit.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

That's about the same conclusions I drew.

 

[Saint Beloved]

Don't be sad, I'm a better person for it.

I can't help but be sad about it the sustained joy and peace it gives me I want everyone to experience there's so much suffering and the Holy Spirit is the best comforter.

 

[least]

I'm a Lifeist, I should have put on seeker. But I am not seeking for the creator anymore, I found all the answers I'm looking for because life showed me.

Curious, what were all the answers that life showed you?

 

[chriscomplex]

I can't help but be sad about it the sustained joy and peace it gives me I want everyone to experience there's so much suffering and the Holy Spirit is the best comforter.

Hope is my comforter, but I do have bad days. But life is right by my side, and a great community just waiting behind all our walls.

 

[Saint Beloved]

Hope is my comforter, but I do have bad days. But life is right by my side, and a great community just waiting behind all our walls.

What is your hope?
How does it comfort you?

 

[chriscomplex]

Curious, what were all the answers that life showed you?

Where we go after we die
The reason why the universe exists
Why there is good and evil
Why there is pain and suffering

 

[chriscomplex]

What is your hope?
How does it comfort you?

A feeling I put into others, and myself.

 

[least]

Where we go after we die
The reason why the universe exists
Why there is good and evil
Why there is pain and suffering

No, my friend, those are the questions life gave you. You said life gave you the answers. What are the answers?

 

[Saint Beloved]

A feeling I put into others, and myself.

A finite hope then?

 

[chriscomplex]

No, my friend, those are the questions life gave you. You said life gave you the answers. What are the answers?

Sorry I've learned the hard way, that the religious will mock and destroy other people's personal belief's for their agenda. Such as the Native Indians in America, and the Aboriginals in Australia.

So I think ill stop here, before we all get into a flame war.

 

[chriscomplex]

A finite hope then?

Possibly, don't know.

 

[Saint Beloved]

Sorry I've learned the hard way, that the religious will mock and destroy other people's personal belief's for their agenda. Such as the Native Indians in America, and the Aboriginals in Australia.

So I think ill stop here, before we all get into a flame war.

You have my word that I will curb my tongue I'm interested in your point of view, it's new to me.
I will only ask questions for clarification and not assert my religious inclinations on you.

 

[chriscomplex]

You have my word that I will curb my tongue I'm interested in your point of view, it's new to me.
I will only ask questions for clarification and not assert my religious inclinations on you.

It can't be done in a public room, some may be grossly offended. Others just may argue and fight, and each other also.

 

[Saint Beloved]

It can't be done in a public room, some may be grossly offended. Others just may argue and fight, and each other also.

They can't do that or they break the CF rules.
Flaming and Goading

• Please treat all members with respect and courtesy through civil dialogue.
• Do not personally attack (insult, belittle, mock, ridicule) other members or groups of members on CF. Address only the content of the post and not the poster.
• NO Goading. This includes images, cartoons, or smileys clearly meant to goad. Quoting and then editing another members post to change the original meaning, commonly referred to as "fixed it for you" (FIFY), is considered goading.
• Offensive derogatory nicknames and egregious inflammatory comments about public figures may be considered goading.
• Stating or implying that another Christian member, or group of members, are not Christian is not allowed.
• If you are flamed, do not respond in-kind. Alert staff to the situation by utilizing the report button.

Harassment

• Be considerate and do not make another member's experience on this site miserable. This includes making false accusations or persistently attacking them in the open forums.
• Respect another member's request to cease personal contact.

We could report them and they could face account banning.

 

[HereIStand]

It can't be done in a public room, some may be grossly offended. Others just may argue and fight, and each other also.

I too would be interested in your journey. This portion of the forum is intended for that. Post away.

 

[chriscomplex]

Now back to the topic ahead.

I agree that the Mormon baptism was ineffective.

Now I'm left with the the traditionalist child baptism. I was told I was 2 to 3 years old, and I ran up to the baptismal pool and jumped in myself.

I remember being driven home staring out the window, and the tree's were glowing. Could have been the water, now I think of it.

But that baptism is what? Just a redundancy, something for my parents to tick off their tradition list.

 

[HereIStand]

Now back to the topic ahead.

I agree that the Mormon baptism was ineffective.

Now I'm left with the the traditionalist child baptism. I was told I was 2 to 3 years old, and I ran up to the baptismal pool and jumped in myself.

I remember being driven home staring out the window, and the tree's were glowing. Could have been the water, now I think of it.

But that baptism is what? Just a redundancy, something for my parents to tick off their tradition list.

I'm not sure. I've not seen a child baptism quite like that. Off hand, I wouldn't say it's invalid.