Tulsi: Transcript does not show "compelling case" for impeachment

[cow451]

Nay, it would be an added benefit.

If the facts support corruption of involving Biden/Hunter, than disgrace should be the least of Hunter's concern.

If there is a reason to investigate Biden or his son, what is the holdup? Where is DOJ?

 

[cow451]

As I was saying elsewhere... it does seem like Christianity in America exists to serve the Republican party.

It was prophesied in Two Corinthians 66:6. This manuscript was recently found in the Dead Sea scrolls. Really terrific. Ancient scholars have told me this. It’s going to come out real soon and you’ll be amazed.

 

[cow451]

Tulsi Gabbard, by the way, is no conservative. However, she values balance and common sense. She does not just take the most extreme view in order to go along with the Socialist Democrats in her party...which is why she is only polling at 2% at present in the race for President.

It's a sorry commentary on the party of Truman and Kennedy that this is where it has arrived at in our own time.

I like Tulsi, but I differ with her on this one. Shaking down a foreign government to knee cap a political rival crosses the line.

Had Trump not spent the last forty years lying, cheating and stealing, he’d easily get a pass on this transgression.

Remember that Al Capone wasn’t nabbed for facilitating all manner of criminal activity. He was nabbed for violating tax laws. You go with what you can make a case for and Trump has offered this up like a taco bowl special at Trump Tower on Cinco de Mayo.

 

[wing2000]

No digging needed...cooperation from Ukraine with a simple request to look into something Joe Biden himself bragged about...yes...Ukraine is on board with the POTUS to drain the swamp too.

However...there is evidence that the democrats are very much involved in corrupt dealings with certain individuals in the Ukraine. It's a very good thing that this is being investigated with cooperation from the Ukraine government.

Shall I take your response as a "yes"?

The following conversation in entirely acceptable behavior the President.

The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

 

[GACfan]

And of course, the implication that all democrats are destined for Hell, let's not forget that.

Well, that's hardly surprising, it appears to me that most conservative/republicans think that is where they came from in the first place.

That explains where the word 'Demonrat' comes from, which is an obvious reference to Democrats.

As I was saying elsewhere... it does seem like Christianity in America exists to serve the Republican party.

And that's truly disheartening and such a shame because the moral reputation of the Christian Right and the rest of the Republican Party has been blown to smithereens because of Donald Trump.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Tulsi does not make a compelling case for electing her to lead the country.

 

[tall73]

Tulsi does not make a compelling case for electing her to lead the country.

She wants to get us out of endless regime change wars, and has a personal stake in it. That is compelling enough for me.

As for her take on the impeachment issue, she indicated that he did use his power for his own benefit in trying to get a foreign nation to look into a political opponent. So she acknowledges his wrong doing. But she also said that she didn't think most people who read the transcript would think it was impeachable, and was afraid it would divide the country and result in a backlash for the Democratic party if people saw this as a political ploy.

Since the Senate is controlled by Republicans she is probably calculating that he will not be removed from office, and if it was spun enough it could be used as a campaign tool for Trump.He already raised a lot of money off of the issue.

Either way, things are going forward it looks like. If they find more information it may change the calculation.

 

[Speedwell]

So the claim is that the Republican Party was much respected until Trump changed all that...48 years later??

I don't think that anybody can claim that Trump did it single-handed.

 

[Albion]

I don't think that anybody can claim that Trump did it single-handed.

Did you read the following? That is what I was replying to.

...because the moral reputation of the Christian Right and the rest of the Republican Party has been blown to smithereens because of Donald Trump.

 

[Speedwell]

Did you read the following? That is what I was replying to.

Right. Donald didn't do it alone, he had the Christian Right to help him.

 

[GACfan]

Edited.

 

[Albion]

Right. Donald didn't do it alone, he had the Christian Right to help him.

In fact, neither of them did "it."

Did you bother to read my post(s) or were you just anxious to support what another poster wrote? If so, it's misleading to be quoting me rather than him.

 

[wing2000]

She wants to get us out of endless regime change wars, and has a personal stake in it. That is compelling enough for me.

As for her take on the impeachment issue, she indicated that he did use his power for his own benefit in trying to get a foreign nation to look into a political opponent. So she acknowledges his wrong doing. But she also said that she didn't think most people who read the transcript would think it was impeachable, and was afraid it would divide the country and result in a backlash for the Democratic party if people saw this as a political ploy.

Since the Senate is controlled by Republicans she is probably calculating that he will not be removed from office, and if it was spun enough it could be used as a campaign tool for Trump.He already raised a lot of money off of the issue.

Either way, things are going forward it looks like. If they find more information it may change the calculation.

Refreshing to see someone who actually listened to all of Gabbart's comments.

 

[durangodawood]

She wants to get us out of endless regime change wars, and has a personal stake in it. That is compelling enough for me.

As for her take on the impeachment issue, she indicated that he did use his power for his own benefit in trying to get a foreign nation to look into a political opponent. So she acknowledges his wrong doing. But she also said that she didn't think most people who read the transcript would think it was impeachable, and was afraid it would divide the country and result in a backlash for the Democratic party if people saw this as a political ploy.

Since the Senate is controlled by Republicans she is probably calculating that he will not be removed from office, and if it was spun enough it could be used as a campaign tool for Trump.He already raised a lot of money off of the issue.

Either way, things are going forward it looks like. If they find more information it may change the calculation.

So, the facts and justice weigh against Trump, but the dems should back off because.... optics.

 

[FenderTL5]

I like Tulsi Gabbard.
I've been opposed to the impeachment and I'm still not convinced that it is a prudent course of action. I would prefer Trump lose in the marketplace of ideas and be removed from office at the ballot box next year.

 

[wing2000]

So, the facts and justice weigh against Trump, but the dems should back off because.... optics.

Essentially, yes. She feels impeachment is too divisive. I disagree. And if Tulsi is the Democratic nominee, she will have a change of heart when the President uses his executive powers to go after her....

 

[tall73]

So, the facts and justice weigh against Trump, but the dems should back off because.... optics.

That appeared to be her position, that facts and justice were on the side of action, but it was not going to work.

Impeachment is a political process. If she doesn't think they can get the votes, then she doesn't want to divide the country and sink the cause of the Democratic party trying to pursue it.

If it were a compelling case to the public, that Republican Senators could not hide from during the election, then she would favor it.

She answered that way when asked whether the transcript swayed her previous position. Apparently she would re-evaluate with more evidence.

That seemed to be what she was saying.

 

[tall73]

I like Tulsi Gabbard.
I've been opposed to the impeachment and I'm still not convinced that it is a prudent course of action. I would prefer Trump lose in the marketplace of ideas and be removed from office at the ballot box next year.

At which point he could still be made to answer for any crimes committed. The drawback to that is that he might commit more crimes.

Either way, she seems to think the politics of it would not work, as it stands currently.

My thinking is that they should have pushed to get the entire whistleblower file and then decided. Then they might have a better idea of where the matter is going. Trump released what he wanted to in order to allow people to interpret it on either side.

 

[tall73]

From the cynical perspective, it is also possible that those polling lower in the Democratic party primary race realize that impeachment would take up all the news time, preventing them from being heard by the public, and cement those Democratic candidates who already have name recognition with the general public.

So this both gets her in the news because it is different than many of her fellow Democrats, but also prevents an overwhelming story from blocking out coverage of lesser known candidates like her.

As it is, negative press for Trump is blocking out a lot of discussion of the election more broadly. And there is still the theory that all publicity is good publicity, and putting Trump in the spotlight for more months might sell papers, but wouldn't necessarily help defeat Trump, or elect someone like Tulsi. If that is the case it is also campaign strategy for Tulsi.

 

[KCfromNC]

not only is it not compelling, it's not even remote grounds for impeachment. This is another farce. Another Mueller Report.....

The report from the investigation which put Donald's campaign Charmian and also his personal attorney in prison. That one?