Tufts international student taken into us custody--visa terminated

[rjs330]

I'm sure that's also what was being said when some of the first trains were being loaded up.

This is alarming behavior from the US government. It shouldn't matter what a person's politics are, this should make every American's blood run cold.

-CryptoLutheran

Yeah still a ridiculous comparison. Just curious where this deathcamp is located where she is being held and stuffed into a gas chamber. I think I'd like to go there and protest along side with you. It's something we could find common around on.

 

[loveofourlord]

Yeah still a ridiculous comparison. Just curious where this deathcamp is located where she is being held and stuffed into a gas chamber. I think I'd like to go there and protest along side with you. It's something we could find common around on.

did you miss the part about trump accidently sending the wrong people to the al salvatore prison where people have a tendecy to accidently die?

 

[Pommer]

did you miss the part about trump accidently sending the wrong people to the al salvatore prison where people have a tendecy to accidently die?

We have to expect the Party that’s told us for sixty years how bad government is when it tries to “do things”, to be bad at doing things, it’s their brand. The more incompetent they seem to be, the more correct they are in repeating their favorite mantra.

Win-win.

 

[Valletta]

I'm sure that's also what was being said when some of the first trains were being loaded up.

This is alarming behavior from the US government. It shouldn't matter what a person's politics are, this should make every American's blood run cold.

-CryptoLutheran

Most people do not consider cancelling a visa as being alarming.

 

[Valletta]

If we operate on that basis, then we can presume anyone and everyone is guilty of anything all the time.

Thus far the sole reason offered for why she was abducted is because she wrote something in her school paper which was critical of the school's position on the situation in Gaza. The only reason thus far provided is that she legally exercised her right to free speech and is now being punished for it. Without any further evidence, there is no reason to believe other than what the presently known facts indicate.

-CryptoLutheran

We are presuming that government employees are doing their job most of the time. When we find out otherwise, such as when the Biden administration admitted they had lost track of hundreds of thousands of children and were not bothering to find out what happened to them, then it is at least a big story. Someone may come to the attention of U.S. authorities and then the government looks at all of the facts and makes a decision. Government employees are not requited to "cite" a reason to the press or public. It is done, the lower courts have no valid legal basis to interfere:

https://bizlegalservices.com/2024/12/12/supreme-court-confirms-no-judicial-review-for-revoked-visas/

 

[rjs330]

did you miss the part about trump accidently sending the wrong people to the al salvatore prison where people have a tendecy to accidently die?

I hate to break it to you but Trump didn't send him anywhere. Trump also didn't order that he be sent there.

 

[rjs330]

Most people do not consider cancelling a visa as being alarming.

No kidding. Do people think that Bidens and Obamas administrations never canceled anyone's visas and sent them home? Did they offer explanations everytime they did it to the press?

 

[loveofourlord]

I hate to break it to you but Trump didn't send him anywhere. Trump also didn't order that he be sent there.

Right...just his administartion under his orders, by people he hired.

 

[rjs330]

Right...just his administartion under his orders, by people he hired.

As much of a bummer as that is, I think the over all record is pretty good.

I mean even in our justice system innocent people are found guilty and some have even been killed. Police have shot innocent people. People are killed in car crashes. Children are molested. It's the world we live in where people make mistakes. Sometimes serious one's and people suffer for it. I'm not going to.demand we cease all activity because someone was inadvertently sent away when they shoildnt have been. We might as well not have any jails or cars or teachers or parents or priests.

It seems a bit unrealistic to suggest that theae things have to be perfect or we can't do it.

 

[loveofourlord]

As much of a bummer as that is, I think the over all record is pretty good.

I mean even in our justice system innocent people are found guilty and some have even been killed. Police have shot innocent people. People are killed in car crashes. Children are molested. It's the world we live in where people make mistakes. Sometimes serious one's and people suffer for it. I'm not going to.demand we cease all activity because someone was inadvertently sent away when they shoildnt have been. We might as well not have any jails or cars or teachers or parents or priests.

It seems a bit unrealistic to suggest that theae things have to be perfect or we can't do it.

Given how this isn't just one small incident, and multiple people and their response was, "oopsies, but we can't fix." a bit more. And you do realize many of those mistakes are from corruption the desire to get someone to say they did it at any cost...just like this. Hey shouldn't be sending ANYONE to el salvatore, least of all a death jail, but yeah just keep telling you small mistake Oopsie did I do that?

 

[essentialsaltes]

No evidence linking Tufts student to antisemitism or terrorism, State Dept. office found​

An internal memo, prepared before Rumeysa Ozturk was detained by ICE, raises doubts about the administration’s claims that she supports Hamas.

 

[rjs330]

Given how this isn't just one small incident, and multiple people and their response was, "oopsies, but we can't fix." a bit more. And you do realize many of those mistakes are from corruption the desire to get someone to say they did it at any cost...just like this. Hey shouldn't be sending ANYONE to el salvatore, least of all a death jail, but yeah just keep telling you small mistake Oopsie did I do that?

Doesn't change a thing concerning unrealistic expectations of perfections from government. There has never been a government in the history of mankind that hasn't made bad mistakes.

This was a bad mistake and needs to be fixed.

 

[loveofourlord]

Doesn't change a thing concerning unrealistic expectations of perfections from government. There has never been a government in the history of mankind that hasn't made bad mistakes.

This was a bad mistake and needs to be fixed.

of course not, but there is a difference from, "We accidently jailed someone." to, "We accidently sent the wrong people to jail in another country and OOPSIE we can't get them back" stever earcles, "Did I do that!!!."

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Right...just his administartion under his orders, by people he hired.

People are saying he bought the ticket and flew himself there.

 

[okay]

of course not, but there is a difference from, "We accidently jailed someone." to, "We accidently sent the wrong people to jail in another country and OOPSIE we can't get them back" stever earcles, "Did I do that!!!."

Edit: the post below is muddled because I was thinking of the fellow sent to El Salvador while this thread is about the Tufts student. Oops! Please ignore the below text!

Had we not skipped due process, I suspect that he never would have been deported in the first place. But the current administration doesn’t seem to like due process, and probably other things in that pesky old constitution.

Edit: this is the scary part. The government grabbing someone off the street, producing zero evidence to support their claim, not even slowing down for basic due process, and shipping someone to a horrific mega prison. And Trump has talked about doing the same with citizens.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

DHS ordered a US citizen and immigration attorney to leave the country on Friday. Of course it was a mistake. Can't link it from my phone but easy to find.

 

[essentialsaltes]

DHS ordered a US citizen and immigration attorney to leave the country on Friday. Of course it was a mistake. Can't link it from my phone but easy to find.

Remember when we were told it was only non-citizens they were concerned with?

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I mean sure, this is probably a mistake, intended for one of her unnamed clients, but... hey, it wouldn't be the first mistaken deportation this month.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Thanks, I didn't remember your post.

 

[essentialsaltes]

No evidence linking Tufts student to antisemitism or terrorism, State Dept. office found​

An internal memo, prepared before Rumeysa Ozturk was detained by ICE, raises doubts about the administration’s claims that she supports Hamas.

Judge orders detained Tufts student Rumeysa Öztürk to be transferred back to Vermont ​

The student was grabbed off the street by immigration officials. The Trump administration is seeking to deport her after she co-wrote an essay about Israel and Gaza.

Judge William K. Sessions III stayed his order for four days to give the government a chance to appeal.

She co-wrote an opinion essay in 2024 for the student newspaper that called on Tufts to “acknowledge the Palestinian genocide,” which the undergraduate student government had demanded in a resolution.

The essay criticized university leadership for its response to the student government’s resolutions that it “disclose its investments and divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel.”

 

[JosephZ]

Tufts doctoral student Rümeysa Öztürk to be released on bail

Rümeysa Öztürk, the Tufts doctoral student detained by ICE in Somerville earlier this year, will be released on bail as her immigration case is pending, a federal judge ruled Friday.

The American Civil Liberties Union confirmed the news Friday afternoon.

Öztürk was released Friday on her own recognizance with no travel restrictions, Sessions said. He said she is not a danger to the community or a flight risk, but that he might amend his release order to consider any specific conditions by ICE.

He said he didn’t think electronic monitoring would be in order, and that she would also check in with a staffer of the Burlington Community Justice Center for supervisory checks.