Tucker Interviews UFO Expert Leslie Kean

[JM]

Wiki:

Types of conspiracy theory
Walker's five kinds
Jesse Walker (2013) has identified five kinds of conspiracy theories:

• The "Enemy Outside" refers to theories based on figures alleged to be scheming against a community from without.
• The "Enemy Within" finds the conspirators lurking inside the nation, indistinguishable from ordinary citizens.
• The "Enemy Above" involves powerful people manipulating events for their own gain.
• The "Enemy Below" features the lower classes working to overturn the social order.
• The "Benevolent Conspiracies" are angelic forces that work behind the scenes to improve the world and help people.[22]

Barkun's three types
Barkun has identified three classifications of conspiracy theory:

• Event conspiracy theories. This refers to limited and well-defined events. Examples may include such conspiracies theories as those concerning the Kennedy assassination, 9/11, and the spread of AIDS.[23]
• Systemic conspiracy theories. Such theories pertain to alleged broad objectives such as domination of a country or of the world. According to Barkun, the conspiratorial machinery for such theories is usually simple, with a single evil organization. Examples may include conspiracy theories about Jews, Freemasons, Communism, or the Catholic Church.[23]
• Superconspiracy theories. For Barkun, such theories link multiple alleged conspiracies together hierarchically. At the summit is a distant but all-powerful evil force. His cited examples are the ideas of David Icke and Milton William Cooper.[23]

Rothbard: shallow vs. deep
Murray Rothbard argues in favor of a model that contrasts "deep" conspiracy theories to "shallow" ones. According to Rothbard, a "shallow" theorist observes an event and asks Cui bono? ("Who benefits?"), jumping to the conclusion that a posited beneficiary is responsible for covertly influencing events. On the other hand, the "deep" conspiracy theorist begins with a hunch, and then seeks out evidence. Rothbard describes this latter activity as a matter of confirming with certain facts one's initial paranoia.[24]

Evidence vs. conspiracy theory
Theories involving multiple conspirators that are proven to be correct, such as the Watergate scandal,[25] are usually referred to as "investigative journalism" or "historical analysis" rather than conspiracy theory. By contrast, the term "Watergate conspiracy theory" is used to refer to a variety of hypotheses in which those convicted in the conspiracy were in fact the victims of a deeper conspiracy.[26]

Noam Chomsky contrasts conspiracy theory to institutional analysis which focuses mostly on the public, long-term behavior of publicly known institutions, as recorded in, for example, scholarly documents or mainstream media reports. Conspiracy theory conversely posits the existence of secretive coalitions of individuals and speculates on their alleged activities.[27][28]

Clare Birchall at King's College London describes conspiracy theory as a "form of popular knowledge or interpretation".[a] The use of the word 'knowledge' here suggests ways in which conspiracy theory may be considered in relation to legitimate modes of knowing.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#cite_note-31 The relationship between legitimate and illegitimate knowledge, Birchall claims, is closer than common dismissals of conspiracy theory contend.[30]

 

[Rick Otto]

By real I mean an actual flying object as opposed to an illusion or a phenomenon of nature that we do not understand as yet.

What if I told you all of nature is illusion and mind is the generator of matter?

 

[Rick Otto]

Wiki:

Types of conspiracy theory
Walker's five kinds
Jesse Walker (2013) has identified five kinds of conspiracy theories:

• The "Enemy Outside" refers to theories based on figures alleged to be scheming against a community from without.
• The "Enemy Within" finds the conspirators lurking inside the nation, indistinguishable from ordinary citizens.
• The "Enemy Above" involves powerful people manipulating events for their own gain.
• The "Enemy Below" features the lower classes working to overturn the social order.
• The "Benevolent Conspiracies" are angelic forces that work behind the scenes to improve the world and help people.[22]

Barkun's three types
Barkun has identified three classifications of conspiracy theory:

• Event conspiracy theories. This refers to limited and well-defined events. Examples may include such conspiracies theories as those concerning the Kennedy assassination, 9/11, and the spread of AIDS.[23]
• Systemic conspiracy theories. Such theories pertain to alleged broad objectives such as domination of a country or of the world. According to Barkun, the conspiratorial machinery for such theories is usually simple, with a single evil organization. Examples may include conspiracy theories about Jews, Freemasons, Communism, or the Catholic Church.[23]
• Superconspiracy theories. For Barkun, such theories link multiple alleged conspiracies together hierarchically. At the summit is a distant but all-powerful evil force. His cited examples are the ideas of David Icke and Milton William Cooper.[23]

Rothbard: shallow vs. deep
Murray Rothbard argues in favor of a model that contrasts "deep" conspiracy theories to "shallow" ones. According to Rothbard, a "shallow" theorist observes an event and asks Cui bono? ("Who benefits?"), jumping to the conclusion that a posited beneficiary is responsible for covertly influencing events. On the other hand, the "deep" conspiracy theorist begins with a hunch, and then seeks out evidence. Rothbard describes this latter activity as a matter of confirming with certain facts one's initial paranoia.[24]

Evidence vs. conspiracy theory
Theories involving multiple conspirators that are proven to be correct, such as the Watergate scandal,[25] are usually referred to as "investigative journalism" or "historical analysis" rather than conspiracy theory. By contrast, the term "Watergate conspiracy theory" is used to refer to a variety of hypotheses in which those convicted in the conspiracy were in fact the victims of a deeper conspiracy.[26]

Noam Chomsky contrasts conspiracy theory to institutional analysis which focuses mostly on the public, long-term behavior of publicly known institutions, as recorded in, for example, scholarly documents or mainstream media reports. Conspiracy theory conversely posits the existence of secretive coalitions of individuals and speculates on their alleged activities.[27][28]

Clare Birchall at King's College London describes conspiracy theory as a "form of popular knowledge or interpretation".[a] The use of the word 'knowledge' here suggests ways in which conspiracy theory may be considered in relation to legitimate modes of knowing. The relationship between legitimate and illegitimate knowledge, Birchall claims, is closer than common dismissals of conspiracy theory contend.[30]

Thanks for doing everybody's homework.

 

[JackRT]

What if I told you all of nature is illusion and mind is the generator of matter?

I would listen carefully to your supporting arguments but if someone threw an illusion at me that looked like a rock, I would still duck.

 

[Yanni depp]

She wrote the book on UFOs with the support of john podesta. Just saying.

 

[JAM2b]

If aliens were real then it would mean God is not real or is wrong since He only created humans.

He also created dinosaurs, other creatures, microscopic organisms, and angels. Angels, at least for a time, had some freewill (not sure if they still do). Some of them rebelled. Some of them had children with humans and created a race of giants.

IF Aliens are real, I strongly feel that they are either demons or some variation of the descendants the race fallen angels conceived with humans.

IF they are real, and are not somehow demonic or descended from demons, then I don't think it is outside the realm of possibility that God created other intelligent beings in other places. He's God. He can do that if He wants. And He does not have to tell us about it. He didn't tell us about dinosaurs or germs.

But, I'm not sure if I believe it is real or not.

One thing to consider is that until relatively recent history, people were not aware of microscopic organism, germs. I'm sure people of that day would have laughed or made fun of those who first realized their existence. Now we take the knowledge for granted and have changed our entire way of living based on it.

 

[looking_for_answers_]

What do you think about the CIA mind control program called MKultra, fact or fiction?

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Rick Otto]

What does that have to do with anything?

It can impact one's cognitive efforts at determining what is real, like aliens for example.

 

[looking_for_answers_]

It can impact one's cognitive efforts at determining what is real, like aliens for example.

I don't follow. How does belief in a declassified, publicly known, well-documented program indicate what someone would believe about aliens? The existence of one does not imply the existence of the other in any rational way

 

[Rick Otto]

I don't follow. How does belief in a declassified, publicly known, well-documented program indicate what someone would believe about aliens? The existence of one does not imply the existence of the other in any rational way

It doesn't have to. It doesn't need to indicate, either. The goal is impact away from the controlling truth.
What is most difficult to accept is the very existence of ambitions so deeply dark and disturbed. Am I right?

 

[FireDragon76]

What is there to talk about? "UFO" means 'unidentified flying object'. Maybe when we find out if they are real and what they are we will be able to talk about them. In the meantime all I see is unfounded speculation most of which is completely off the wall.

The universe is obviously stranger than the accepted scientific orthodoxy, that UFO's were simply seeing the planet Venus or the deluded fantasies of drunken rednecks.

 

[FireDragon76]

It is not odd because plenty of people talk about it.
The problem is they won't look at it clearly or reasonable.

Everyone assumes that ufo are real. Real in the sence of alien life forms.

That is nonsence. Think.
Any technology able to cross interstellar space and to manover in a planets gravity well as ufo's are reported to do is more than caperble of hidding it self from our technology.

So if ufo's are not aliens come to visit us what are they.

Strangely there is an explanation that the military and many ufoers won't concider.

They are demonic forces out to distract the gulible away from God.
Look up Gary Bates and what he has investigated and fund out about ufos, there are several articles by him at creation.com

In the middle ages people believed in fairies and Magonians, people that lived in the clouds and played tricks on the locals in France. Maybe they knew something we do not. Maybe the Faeries are having fun with our military jets and airliners.

 

[Tolworth John]

In the middle ages people believed in fairies and Magonians, people that lived in the clouds and played tricks on the locals in France. Maybe they knew something we do not. Maybe the Faeries are having fun with our military jets and airliners.

More realisticly that demons are playing with the gullible to take them further away from Jesus.