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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Douggg, Jul 30, 2020.

  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    stop doing this....

    "The Antichrist"...........



    And start doing this.....


    "the person"...... as the little horn

    "the person"............as the Antichrist

    "the person"...........as the beast



    little horn - 7th of the related kings of the Roman Empire. (the EU leader)

    Antichrist - King of Israel coming in his own name.

    beast - 8th of the related kings of the Roman Empire, having been one of the 7 kings before. (the EU dictator)


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    The person starts as the little horn, then is the prince who shall come in Daniel 9, who is perceived by the Jews as the messiah. He is then anointed the King of Israel, becoming the Antichrist, and confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years, as directed by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13. After approximately 3 years, he commits the transgression of desolation, ending his time as the Antichrist, as he is revealed as the man of sin and not the messiah after all. God has the person killed; and in disdain for him brings him back to life. At which time the spirit of the serpent ascends out of the bottomless pit possessing the person - making the person the beast in Revelation 13.
     
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  2. Douggg

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    When you study the bible about the person, you should consider mapping the person's beginning to his end.

    Just as you would map someone like John F. Kennedy, for example.

    PT109 commander, then Senator of Massachusetts, then President of the United States.

    The bible, in similitude to a book on JFK's biography, is giving the biography of the arch villain of the end times. We don't know the person's actual name as of yet - so we have to refer to him as "the person".
     
  3. Timtofly

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    It is just Satan. No mystery there.
     
  4. Douggg

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    The arch villain of the end times person, the human, gets casts alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's return in Revelation 19:20.

    If you wanted to say Satan is the enemy, arch villain to humanity, of all time - I don't think anyone would disagree with that. And ultimately Satan's destruction is what God has planned. So we can't praise and love God enough for that.
     
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  5. Marilyn C

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    Hi Douggg,

    Good thought there. However I need to remind you that God has judged the Roman Empire and thus it cannot rise again. Also the Antichrist is a Gentile as Dan. 2`s Great Image reveals to us.
     
  6. Douggg

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    Hi Marilyn,

    The ten kings (toes) in Daniel 2 statue are of a gentile kingdom. That the little horn is king of that gentile kingdom in Daniel 7, the little horn functionally he cannot be the Antichrist at that time. The kingdom of the little horn in the text of Daniel 7 is the fourth kingdom that followed the third kingdom, the Greek empire.

    But it doesn't mean that the little horn cannot be a Jew. And descended from the historic Roman Empire group of Kings as well.

    "Anti" is just a prefix. The Christ functionally is the King of Israel coming in the name of the Lord.

    I would suggest work on the person's biography. Put being the Ant-Christ in the right period of the person's life.
     
  7. Marilyn C

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    We know from scripture where the anti-Christ will arise & what his nationality is. We are also told that he is an Assyrian. Now this is a nationality even today. Andre Agassi, the famous tennis player is of Assyrian descent.



    Details of the anti-Christ –


    His nationality – Assyrian. (Isa. 31: 8 Micah 5: 5)

    The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

    Leader of Ancient Assyrian region - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

    Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8, Rev. 17: 12)

    He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14, 19: 19)



     
  8. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Instead of starting out with the word "the antichrist", try instead to start out with the word "the person".

    And walk through his entire biography from beginning to end, using biblical terms, saying "the person as...".
     
  9. Marilyn C

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    We know from scripture where the last Gentile World Leader will arise & what his nationality is. We are also told that he is an Assyrian. Now this is a nationality even today. Andre Agassi, the famous tennis player is of Assyrian descent.



    Details of the last Gentile World Leader –



    His nationality – Assyrian. (Isa. 31: 8 Micah 5: 5)

    The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

    Leader of Ancient Assyrian region - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

    Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8, Rev. 17: 12)

    He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14, 19: 19)



     
  10. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Marilyn,

    like this...

    We know from scripture where the person will arise & what his nationality is. We are also told that the person is an Assyrian.....
     
  11. BABerean2

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    If you keep ignoring the reference to Hanukkah in John 10:22, you will keep ignoring Antiochus Epiphanes in the Book of Daniel, and you will keep getting the Book of Revelation wrong.


    Who are those found in Revelation 2:9, and Revelation 3:9, based on Romans 2:28-29? Are they also found in Revelation 11:8?

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    (CJB) Then came Hanukkah in Yerushalayim. It was winter,

    (ESV) At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter,

    (Geneva) And it was at Hierusalem the feast of the Dedication, and it was winter.

    (Greek NT TR) εγενετο δε τα εγκαινια εν τοις ιεροσολυμοις και χειμων ην

    (GW) The Festival of the Dedication of the Temple took place in Jerusalem during the winter.

    (KJV) And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

    (KJV+) AndG1161 it wasG1096 atG1722 JerusalemG2414 theG3588 feast of the dedication,G1456 andG2532 it wasG2258 winter.G5494

    (NKJV) Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

    (NLT) It was now winter, and Jesus was in Jerusalem at the time of Hanukkah, the Festival of Dedication.

    (YLT) And the dedication in Jerusalem came, and it was winter,

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  12. Douggg

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    Antiochus is not in Revelation.

    What is in Revelation is the image made of the beast person, that the false prophet will seemingly do a miracle making it come to life and speak. The beast person is not Antiochus.

    If you were a Jew living in Judea at that time - would you flee into the mountains, or stick around for futher events?
     
  13. BABerean2

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    It is a historical fact that the believers did leave Jerusalem before the slaughter of 70AD.

    Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
    Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


    Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
    Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
    Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
    Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


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  14. jgr

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    Provide a quote of any recognized apologist of the true Christian Church before the 19th century who believed that the prince of Daniel 9 is antichrist.
     
  15. Douggg

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    I don't want to spend my time researching it.
     
  16. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    I was asking regarding when the image of the beast is made and the false prophet brings it to life and it speaks, and everyone is required to worship it. Obviously, has not happened yet.

    If you were living in Judea at that time in the future, would you flee into to the mountains - or would you stick around town ?
     
  17. BABerean2

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    Since both Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21 are about 70 AD, the question is pointless.


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  18. jgr

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    I appreciate your forthrightness.

    I can also save you the time.

    There is no recognized apologist of the true Christian Church before the 19th century who believed that the prince of Daniel 9 is antichrist.
     
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  19. Douggg

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    Likewise, I challenge you to find any apologist that correctly defines the Antichrist concept as being rooted in the Christ concept of being the promised King of Israel.
     
  20. Douggg

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    The great tribulation has not happened yet. The setting up of the abomination of desolation in the holy place triggers the great tribulation. Matthew 24:15-22.
     
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