Truths of the New Testament

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Our Hope and our Destiny:

The Prophetic Word tells us how the Lord will save and protect His people during His terrible Day of wrath, the soon to happen Sixth Seal judgement of the nations.
Isaiah 41:13, Isaiah 42:2, 1 Cor 19:13, Zephaniah 2:3, +
Then we will be gathered and will migrate into all of the holy Land. Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34:11-16 and Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 35:1-10 are some of the best prophesies about this. We Christians are the Lord's people, His chosen; John 15:18, 1 Peter 2:8-10, and we are the people; nation, who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43. We will, at last; be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Acts 13:47

So, basically there is no need for anyone, other than the 2 Witnesses to go to heaven, Rev 11:12 The whole idea of a rapture removal of Christians to heaven, is not scriptural or part of God's plan for His people. Therefore, a body change is not necessary or logical, before the final wrap up and then all those whose names are written in the Book of Life, will receive immortality and be with God for Eternity, when God and therefore: heaven will be on earth. Rev 21:1-4
 
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That bring to mind the 10 horns/kings in Revelation, which God makes to be of 1 mind and purpose, to destroy the great Harlot................
The Tree of Life is represented by the number 10: crown, knowledge, wisdom, understanding, love, concentration, harmony, victory, glory, connection, kingdom.
 
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Therefore, a body change is not necessary or logical
This would assume that the rapture is a resurrection, which does not seem to be the case. A lot of people claim the rapture will be any day now and then they die what looks to us like a "normal" death.
 
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The day of the Lord is a post tribulation event. This is when Jesus returns with His Church. His feet touch the ground. This is a different event from when people are "caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air."

Zech 14 4 "On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south."

We know from the study of plate technotics that there will be an earthquake at this time. The earth will split east to west AND north to south at the same time.
 
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The day of the Lord is a post tribulation event. This is when Jesus returns with His Church. His feet touch the ground. This is a different event from when people are "caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air."

Zech 14 4 "On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south."

We know from the study of plate technotics that there will be an earthquake at this time. The earth will split east to west AND north to south at the same time.

There were no chapters or verses in the first letter to the Thessalonians when Paul wrote the letter.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of chapter 4, but the timing of the event is found in chapter 5.

The word "But" connects the two chapters in the verse below.


1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.


The verse below proves that chapter 5 is connected to chapter 4.

1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

There is no trip back to heaven in either of the two chapters.
It must be imported from another passage to make the pretrib doctrine work.

The earthquake that you are describing is found in the passage below, at the Second Coming of Christ, and occurs after the event described in 1 Thessalonians chapters 4 and 5.

For about 1800 years of Church history it was understood that all of these events occur on the same day as His Second Coming


Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

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For about 1800 years of Church history it was understood that all of these events occur on the same day as His Second Coming
The events were talked about at least 2500 years ago in the Bible. This is why the "Jewish" people talk so much about the coming of the Messiah because there are so many references to this in the prophets in the Old Testament. "On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south." Zech 14:4
 
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The events were talked about at least 2500 years ago in the Bible. This is why the "Jewish" people talk so much about the coming of the Messiah because there are so many references to this in the prophets in the Old Testament. "On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south." Zech 14:4

Based on the parable of the virgins from Matthew 25 there will be no second chances at salvation at His Second Coming.

Mat 25:1 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
Mat 25:4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 "And at midnight a cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, 'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 "Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!'
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'
Mat 25:13 "Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.


In the passage below Christ return "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know Him.

2Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
2Th 1:10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.


When His feet touch the Mount of Olives it will begin a chain reaction which will destroy the whole planet, which is found below.

2Pe 3:6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.



2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.


Modern Orthodox Jews ignore "the suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53, and the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the Messiah's timeline of Daniel chapter 9, which prove that the baby born in the manger is the Messiah promised in the Old Testament.
They are lost without Christ, based on the passage below.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

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Based on the parable of the virgins from Matthew 25 there will be no second chances at salvation at His Second Coming.

Mat 25:1 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
Mat 25:4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 "And at midnight a cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, 'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 "Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!'
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'
Mat 25:13 "Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.


In the passage below Christ return "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know Him.

2Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
2Th 1:10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.


When His feet touch the Mount of Olives it will begin a chain reaction which will destroy the whole planet, which is found below.

2Pe 3:6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.


Modern Orthodox Jews ignore "the suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53, and the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the Messiah's timeline of Daniel chapter 9, which prove that the baby born in the manger is the Messiah promised in the Old Testament.
They are lost without Christ, based on the passage below.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

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Matt 24:27 "As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." I run into people all the time that are mocking Noah. They do not realize that soon the Earth is going to be cleansed by fire. Even we have already seen fires in Northern California as a testimony of what is to soon come upon the Earth.

The "Jewish" people know that the Messiah will come just as Jerusalem is about to be destroyed.
 
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