Truth about Tai Chi, and connection to price of power of the air

[Bluelion]

I am sure to take heat from this from any one who studies martial arts, but it is the truth. People who study love it and it is a lot of fun and they don't want to give it up. I care more about truth, but it was hard for me to give up as well.

My back ground. I studied with one of the best teachers in the world, he is famous in the martial arts world and turned 92 this year. He new Bruce Lee and taught Ed Parker the founder of American Kenpo.

Tai Chi is called a moving meditation. The thing is it is witch craft. I use the term witch craft not specific to that religion but as a broad term which highlights the use of magic. Tai Chi is based in 5 elements each elements is connected to organs in the body. It uses a system of breathing, Air. The system brings air into the body and refines it in the body to produce energy, energy is cultivated further to its highest level to produce spiritual energy and increase a persons spirit. We are talking about authentic Chinese Tai Chi, not stuff you found taught in old age homes. The air is used for energy and I believe it is the same system used by satan and why he is called prince of power of the air. He is cut off from God and has to get energy some where. Once you understand taking energy from air you can easily make the connection. Does it work yes and it does bring in spirits. I speak from experience.

So why am I tell you all this. It is so you will know witch craft for witch craft. People will argue all day that is not what it is, but it is, and over a billion people in china do it every day, that is just china.

So do not be fooled and stay away from it. You can also see how these days are more like Noah's day then maybe you thought, Magic is practices in secret under different headings and titles. Like I said over a billion people in china do it every day at least another billion around the world do it, so you see how things are today.

Peace and Love
blu

 

[standingtall]

The air is used for energy and I believe it is the same system used by satan and why he is called prince of power of the air. He is cut off from God and has to get energy some where. Once you understand taking energy from air you can easily make the connection.

 

[Bluelion]

are saying what I am saying is a stretch? How so?

 

[Rev55]

hey blue,

id say its a stretch but not outside the realm of possibility. My issue with it is it makes you focus on a power that is not God. I'm ok with most martial arts but when you start talking about harnessing elements or chi that raises a red flag for me. What's your opinion on other forms of martial arts?

 

[Bluelion]

hey blue,

id say its a stretch but not outside the realm of possibility. My issue with it is it makes you focus on a power that is not God. I'm ok with most martial arts but when you start talking about harnessing elements or chi that raises a red flag for me. What's your opinion on other forms of martial arts?

Good I am glad you see the red flags. See chi means energy or life energy, but God is the only Life force there is and it does not come from him.

What I have learned about martial arts is this, they are violent. all of them, even Tai Chi has moves to poke a persons eyes out. The Bible says God hates the violent man. This was hard for me as i was very Good at martial arts and loved it. At first I said well i am going to be a preacher so I will just do it as a hobby, but what I found was I felt The Holy Spirit with draw from me when I would train. I thought why? I am just expressing my self like a dance. How ever that is a lie. The movements I was doing were to take a persons eyes out, blind them for life. top dislocate there jaw, or break other bones. To take a persons hearing from them or rip their ear off. So you can see how violent what i was doing is. Another problem is i stop relying on God to protect me and give my self false confidence that I have some sort of power and can protect my self, in other words i become prideful. I know martial arts is very respectful and teaches that, they also have pride in their own movements and skill. I have seen this in even the greatest martial arts teachers. God says He work against the prideful.

So my stance is you don't need any kind of fighting skill unless you are in the military. If you are going to be a preacher your better off putting your trust in God. This is what I am doing, and frankly struggling with because all my life people have wanted to hurt me and I always had to fight. No I say I will not fight God will protect me, and I am scared. I have always fought to protect my self, But God is working with me and has shown me time and time again he will protect me.

Also by me no longer fighting and being unwilling to do so. I had to change how I handle things. Like there was a woman who was being bullied by this man, she was an older woman and he plowed her car in. so me and my wife went down and dug her out. The man sat and watched us and when we finished he came back and plowed her in again. So this time i woke her up early before she had to be at work and went down and dug her out again and then she left for work and he could not plow her in again. Before i would have fought the guy and handled it that way. So what I have learned is your better off with out martial arts and I am not so fast to fight with out it. So in a way i find my self looking to what Jesus would do and try to handle it that way the best I can.

Does it work yes, and it can do many things even make you great in this world, but we are not meant to be great in this world. So you don't need it.

 

[MrJim]

Tai Chi Chu'an -"Supreme Ultimate Fist" IIRC....the martial aspects are not commonly taught though are truly as devastating as any martial art. I trained in it and also yoga and yeah there are dark elements if one pursues them. However the fitness and health aspects can be useful.

As to the validity of martial skills for the Christian that is probably for another thread.

 

[JM]

I have been involved in MA's all my life. My family owned and operated a boxing club and my father was a provincial judge and treasurer for the club so it was second nature. I studied Tae Know Do when I was 12 but switched to Shotokan at 14 earning my second degree black belt. When I was a brown in Shotokan I trained with the university Judo team and competed often. I also studied in other karate dojos includ Goju Ryu and Shorin. Due to my Judo background I helped coach a high school wrestling team. I ran my own dojo for a few years, my brother ran an MMA dojo for a few years but now I just like to box with my son and spar with friends. With my experience I would say most martial arts are nothing more than proper body mechanics, using your body after years of training to effectively defend yourself or defeat someone in competition. All of the mystical stuff is nonsense.

Looking back I would avoid most MA's and stick with boxing, wrestling and judo. They are competition based rather than based on religious ideas. Boxing and wrestling will provide you with exercise and the tools to defend yourself.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[Bluelion]

I have been involved in MA's all my life. My family owned and operated a boxing club and my father was a provincial judge and treasurer for the club so it was second nature. I studied Tae Know Do when I was 12 but switched to Shotokan at 14 earning my second degree black belt. When I was a brown in Shotokan I trained with the university Judo team and competed often. I also studied in other karate dojos includ Goju Ryu and Shorin. Due to my Judo background I helped coach a high school wrestling team. I ran my own dojo for a few years, my brother ran an MMA dojo for a few years but now I just like to box with my son and spar with friends. With my experience I would say most martial arts are nothing more than proper body mechanics, using your body after years of training to effectively defend yourself or defeat someone in competition. All of the mystical stuff is nonsense.

Looking back I would avoid most MA's and stick with boxing, wrestling and judo. They are competition based rather than based on religious ideas. Boxing and wrestling will provide you with exercise and the tools to defend yourself.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

well you really can not say because you don't have a back ground in Tai Chi do you. Also you mention Korean MA and Japanese but not Chinese. I am talking about Tai Chi a chinese art. Just because you don't know something does not make it untrue. Ta Chi kung fu are spiritual arts, That is basic knowledge. In kung fu we do not do it for sport, but for war. The arts you list are not consider Martail arts to the chinese but sports. wu shu translated means miltary combat, that is what we train. Tai Chi chaun is the combative side of Tai chi. My statement stands.

Sorry if that seems a bit harsh but when someone who knows nothing of the art start speaking about another art as a myth to some one well versed in it, Well you should know better.

 

[JM]

Your comments are glib. Shorin Ryu is the Okinawan pronunciation of the Chinese word Shoalin Temple school. All of our bunkai or application of kata had a reference to Kung fu including Tai Chi. You are just repeating straw man arguments from Jack Chick comics. Haha

OSU!

jm

 

[Bluelion]

Your comments are glib. Shorin Ryu is the Okinawan pronunciation of the Chinese word Shoalin Temple school. All of our bunkai or application of kata had a reference to Kung fu including Tai Chi. You are just repeating straw man arguments from Jack Chick comics. Ha



Fact is you don't know enough to argue, your a sports guy ok wanting to brag about your self, ok. Stroke your ego.

I just don't care enough to educate you. I had this whole thing typed out, now I just don't care your not worth it.
BTW belts are an america idea. so hows that for jack chick.

 

[JM]

Fact is you don't know enough to argue, your a sports guy ok wanting to brag about your self, ok. Stroke your ego.

I just don't care enough to educate you. I had this whole thing typed out, now I just don't care your not worth it.
BTW belts are an america idea. so hows that for jack chick.

It has little to do with my ego but yours...oh great teacher.

I gave my qualifications before I gave my opinion. How long have you studied MA's? Which MA's have you studied? Have you ever competed? As for the belt ranking system, belts were borrowed by the Japanese for MA's because other Japanese sports used colour rankings. ex. swimming The Japanese didn't like the Okinawan people and tried to scrub all the Chinese elements out of their form of karate by making it more "Japanese" which gave us styles such as Shotokan.

The standard MA club, including Tai Chi, are just movements. If they have religious elements being taught its due to the wow factor or guru element that some instructors are seeking. It's all quasi-religious. Dangerous, yes, but not necessarily apart of MA's.

jm

 

[Bluelion]

It has little to do with my ego but yours...oh great teacher.

I gave my qualifications before I gave my opinion. How long have you studied MA's? Which MA's have you studied? Have you ever competed? As for the belt ranking system, belts were borrowed by the Japanese for MA's because other Japanese sports used colour rankings. ex. swimming The Japanese didn't like the Okinawan people and tried to scrub all the Chinese elements out of their form of karate by making it more "Japanese" which gave us styles such as Shotokan.

The standard MA club, including Tai Chi, are just movements. If they have religious elements being taught its due to the wow factor or guru element that some instructors are seeking. It's all quasi-religious. Dangerous, yes, but not necessarily apart of MA's.

jm

You have no qualification you have never study that art nor any Chinese art. It is like me studying American History and then commenting on Chinese History. Just because I studied history does not mean I know all history.

Its all about you ego you said you do yours for sport, I said we do ares for the battle field, for war. Yet you claim to be on the same level as me your not. We don't spar because are movements blind people, dislocate there jaw break arms legs and kill.

Belts are American my teacher was alive when they started in America. You insult me because fact is you want me to teach you, educate you. That is the way most people who study an art. You have such pride in your self, That is why I stopped.

I like how you compare your art to shaolin and say it is not religious. they are called shaolin monks and they study buddism. Tai chi was developed by shaolin and the yellow emperor which formed a serious of movements for help. The yellow emperor is the Grand father of Taoism. so you see you have no idea what your talking about. Ego. Your teacher did not train you very well if you go around insult people and arts you know nothing about. That is why we call what you studied junk. If i tell you what I studied you wouldn't know what they were any way. but what the hell.

Choy li fut, Hung Gar, Northern Praying Mantis, Wing Chun, Chi kung, Tai Chi Chuan wu yang style. Iron arm kung, Iron fist kung, Iron skirt, Iron legs, union with the earth, Wing Woo Gar.

so go play sports

 

[JM]

Thanks for being clear as mud.

I was simply saying that most forms of MA do not have a spiritual aspect EVEN IF the so-called spiritual aspects are mentioned from time to time. The fact is, proper body mechanics and practice give you power in your technique, not "chi" or whatever. When Westerners or even Easterners for that matter reference Asian religion it is only for traditions sake, disconnected from the practice of the art and often for the wrong reasons.

You are getting overly emotional, something your "20 years" of training "15 hours a day" should've of taught you to handle.

Peace and love,

jm

hahaha

 

[JM]

so go play sports

Yes master, I will now unsubscribe to "got play sports!"

 

[Bluelion]

Thanks for being clear as mud.

I was simply saying that most forms of MA do not have a spiritual aspect EVEN IF the so-called spiritual aspects are mentioned from time to time. The fact is, proper body mechanics and practice give you power in your technique, not "chi" or whatever. When Westerners or even Easterners for that matter reference Asian religion it is only for traditions sake, disconnected from the practice of the art and often for the wrong reasons.

You are getting overly emotional, something your "20 years" of training "15 hours a day" should've of taught you to handle.

Peace and love,

jm

hahaha

No you were not simple says you said the spiritual side of martial arts was "nonsense". and it's all body mechanics yes that is a big part but that is external martial arts, there are also internal in the Chinese system. The fact you do not know the difference between eternal and internal so you really have no idea what your talking about. You want me to explain chi to go pay some to learn. My post is not to teach martial arts it was to show why the Bible is not in agreement with it. I like how you tell me what i am feeling. I was not aware I was "overly emotional" I'm glad you know my feeling better than me. The Taoist are more about not being emotional than you ever be, and while at one time i big on that. I see Jesus has the answer that you hold love always and do not move from it. That is what I am working on, but it light of how much i have been attack here i just stop trying to love people her e and focus more on those in my life who do know me.

I don't fight any more. I follow Jesus. Turn the other cheek.

 

[Alithis]

Your comments are glib. Shorin Ryu is the Okinawan pronunciation of the Chinese word Shoalin Temple school. All of our bunkai or application of kata had a reference to Kung fu including Tai Chi. You are just repeating straw man arguments from Jack Chick comics. Ha



Fact is you don't know enough to argue, your a sports guy ok wanting to brag about your self, ok. Stroke your ego.

I just don't care enough to educate you. I had this whole thing typed out, now I just don't care your not worth it.
BTW belts are an america idea. so hows that for jack chick.

re your op .. i stopped martial arts after i rationalized it for a while, but one day at the start of class found i could no longer make the salute bow ..and bow to Jesus also .
cant say this next part without sounding like im blowing my own trumpet so i will endure it ... at times the lord causes me to discern spirits as one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit .. and bro.. i totally get what you are saying it is directly linked to all manner of demonic activity and the pride of life and the lust of the eyes and of the flesh . (in manner of power and control over others and self )

i feel it is up to others to listen to the holy Spirit and if he is telling you to quit doing it .. obey him .generally speaking i advise christian do not be involved ..it is simply not of God but of the spirit of this world .

i also get what you say about witchcraft which worships the earthen elements --the created over the creator .
methinks a very poor thing to put ones faith in yeh.

 

[Bluelion]

re your op .. i stopped martial arts after i rationalized it for a while, but one day at the start of class found i could no longer make the salute bow ..and bow to Jesus also .
cant say this next part without sounding like im blowing my own trumpet so i will endure it ... at times the lord causes me to discern spirits as one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit .. and bro.. i totally get what you are saying it is directly linked to all manner of demonic activity and the pride of life and the lust of the eyes and of the flesh . (in manner of power and control over others and self )

i feel it is up to others to listen to the holy Spirit and if he is telling you to quit doing it .. obey him .generally speaking i advise christian do not be involved ..it is simply not of God but of the spirit of this world .

i also get what you say about witchcraft which worships the earthen elements --the created over the creator .
methinks a very poor thing to put ones faith in yeh.

I struggle not to train, it is power and also pride ego. many will not give it up for that reason. You can not deny that God hates the violent man and martial arts is violent all of them, people can rationalize it but that is the truth. There is this guy my youngest sons dad who is still in love with my wife. My wife made a mistake and said something to him and he used it to gloat at me. I gave him the look I would knock him out and he stop real fast. It made me want to train again because people simply did not dare do stuff like that to me, and there you see the pride. Fact is my movements in MA are to dismember the human body. Is that Christian? That is with out the religious stuff of elements and breathing and pulling your spirit down from heaven.

Good post You must have been a good student to be so humble, but its not for us brother Life is.