Trusting Mohammed

[NASAg03]

Why should I believe Mohammed is a prophet of God and that he brought forth the true word of God?

I mean, what basis do I have to believe that this man is really a prophet of God, and that the book he wrote is from an angle of God and not from him, his scribe, or Satan?

 

[NASAg03]

And let me clarify: I'm not looking for a bunch of links to websites. I would like your opinions and/or quotes from the Quran.

If you're going to quote, please be short and to the point. I don't want to read a bunch of filler material or anything else "proving" the authenticity of the Quran. The book itself that came from Mohammed cannot be proof that he is God-sent, because even Satan know's scripture and is capable of making a perfect, beautiful book.

 

[Arthra]

Hello NASA,

You can call me Art..I'm not a Muslim but a Baha'i and I believe Muhammad was a Propet and Messenger of God.

I don't really have the time or inclination to argue with you... I'm not a young guy but I have studied some and don't mind sharing with you a few reasons that I think might be important points...

What you do with them is your business!

Anyway I would suggest you coinsider the life of Prophet Muhammad...that He hadvery humble origins and was raised a shepherd and later took care of peoples camels and became a drover and also led caravans over the east...

He was illiterate but came from a respected lineage... He was known for Histrustworthiness and kindness.. He married and had a family..He used to seek solitude and prayer on Mount Hira outside the city of Mecca.

Around forty years of age He received a Message from God and was told to read or recite the Words given Him. The experience transformed and unsettled Him.. He did not seek power in life but only submittedto God in His Majesty.

Following the dictates of the Supreme Almighty a small band of people began to receive these Revelations as divine and holy words which spoke to them in the desolation and pagan practices of Mecca...

So this is the beginning of the story... If God wills someone will give you more.

- Art

 

[Lord_Marx]

I hope this doesn't go to far off topic but I cannot resist the urge to bring this up.

Following such logic, how do we know Christianity or Judaism are not of Satan if we can not use the Bible (since like you said, "Satan knows scripture and is capable of making a perfect, beautiful book")?

 

[TheTruth05]

delete this post of mine please.

 

[TheTruth05]

I would like first of all to thank my friend Arthra if he can remember me for his contribution in this thread.

Why should I believe Mohammed is a prophet of God and that he brought forth the true word of God?

I mean, what basis do I have to believe that this man is really a prophet of God, and that the book he wrote is from an angle of God and not from him, his scribe, or Satan?

I'll be "God willng", short in my answer, and to the point. I congratulate you because you really want to understand in simple way and directly.

I will start my points to you then we can go into the details if you like to do so.

From the bible:

18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their kinsmen, and will put my words into his mouth; he shall tell them all that I command him.

19 If any man will not listen to my words which he speaks in my name, I myself will make him answer for it.

20 But if a prophet presumes to speak in my name an oracle that I have not commanded him to speak, or speaks in the name of other gods, he shall die.'

21 "If you say to yourselves, 'How can we recognize an oracle which the LORD has spoken?',

22 know that, even though a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if his oracle is not fulfilled or verified, it is an oracle which the LORD did not speak. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously, and you shall have no fear of him. (deuteronomy 18-22)

Then why to fear him, he spoke only by the name of God and he shall die if he didn't.

God says in the Quran:

[40] That this is verily the word of an honoured Messenger;

[41] It is not the word of a poet: little it is ye believe!

[42] Nor is it the word of a soothsayer: little admonition it is ye receive.

[43] (This is) a Message sent down from the Lord of the Worlds.

[44] And if the Messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name,

[45] We should certainly seize him by his right hand,

[46] And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:

[47] Nor could any of you withhold him (from Our wrath).

[48] But verily this is a Message for the God-fearing. (Quran, Surah 69:40-48)

He was calling people to worship One God. God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and all the prophets before them. Many christians in his life and until today are following his message.

That's because God said:

[82] Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.


[83] And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses. (Quran 5:82-83)

That's why, when you go to the history, you will find that a great christian king entered to islam when he heard what is islam about and that it's just the prophet which God promised to send.

The Prophet and his companions were greatly oppressed by the polytheists of Makkah. Muhammad sent some of his followers to seek refuge with the Negus of Abyssinia - a righteous and just Christian king. He listened to the Prophet's emissary with great respect and awe, especially the Qur'anic description of Mary and Jesus. This description led the king and his subjects to affirm that this indeed was God's revelation, and gladly grant the Muslims asylum they sought.

Now my dear NASAg, there are many ways in how to prove it and some of it are:

- To use the bible to prove that God must send a prophet to all human beings.

- To prove the validity and accurance of the Quran and that it must be the word of God without any doubt.

So which one you would like us to start with?

 

[Exegete12]

I hope this doesn't go to far off topic but I cannot resist the urge to bring this up.

Following such logic, how do we know Christianity or Judaism are not of Satan if we can not use the Bible (since like you said, "Satan knows scripture and is capable of making a perfect, beautiful book")?

"You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me." John 5: 39.

It depends on the 'hearers' to God's word, for without the anointing any scripture is just black ink on paper. Jesus did not say 'My sheep will know my book'. It is His VOICE that we are to know.

So why the distinction? Because like you have quoted anyone can know the Bible as a book – the devil himself knows and quotes the scritpures.

But only those who are acquainted with and know personally God's Holy Spirit will be able to recognise truth from error. Yes, the Bible is the Word of God , and His voice will always be confirmed by Scripture.

We can only know the God of the bible through experience. And as St Paul said of our purpose – "To know the LOVE of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God". So there you go, it's not so much about knowledge after all. Sure we do build knowledge upon knowledge, but for what purpose? To know the LOVE of Christ.

And so what surpasses knowledge? His Promise. "That you may be filled with all the FULLNESS of GOd." That's what Paul says, and what Jesus says "And he who loves ME will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and MANIFEST Myself to him."

These scriptures are taken from John 14: 21 and 2 Tim 3:5.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I hope this doesn't go to far off topic but I cannot resist the urge to bring this up.

Following such logic, how do we know Christianity or Judaism are not of Satan if we can not use the Bible (since like you said, "Satan knows scripture and is capable of making a perfect, beautiful book")?

Neither Orthodox Judaism or Islam read the NT/NC of the Bible, so mabye it is just us Christians that are of Satan.

Exodus 7:1 So Y@hovah said to Moses: "See, I have made you [as] 'elohiym to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.

Matthew 26:57 And those who had laid hold of Jesus led [Him] away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.

 

[TheTruth05]

sorry, how to delete the first post of mine.

<<< Dumb new member.

 

[[serious]]

Why should I believe Mohammed is a prophet of God and that he brought forth the true word of God?

I mean, what basis do I have to believe that this man is really a prophet of God, and that the book he wrote is from an angle of God and not from him, his scribe, or Satan?

The basis of all faiths is faith. Muslims have faith in the Quran for the same reason Christians have faith in the Bible. Likewise, Mohammed is accepted as a prophet for the same reasons as Moses or Jesus. It is ultimately a matter of faith.

 

[peaceful soul]

The basis of all faiths is faith. Muslims have faith in the Quran for the same reason Christians have faith in the Bible. Likewise, Mohammed is accepted as a prophet for the same reasons as Moses or Jesus. It is ultimately a matter of faith.

Faith in what?

 

[Dad00dles]

Why should I believe Mohammed is a prophet of God and that he brought forth the true word of God?

I mean, what basis do I have to believe that this man is really a prophet of God, and that the book he wrote is from an angle of God and not from him, his scribe, or Satan?

Same question can be asked about 'Christ'

In the end,a moot question.

 

[MK11]

Hi NASAg03
Thank you for asking this question. Well, I know that you don't believe in the Quran as God's word. But you do believe in the Bible. The Bible foretold about Muhammad (Peace be upon him). In this post I will try to give you some examples. Of course I have much evidence that Muahmmad (Peace be upon him) is a prophet, but I prefer to prove it from the Bible so as to have a common ground only. In this post I will begin with the first prophecy:
Genesis talks about God's promise to Ishmael:

Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Gen 21:18 Arise, lift up the lad (Ishmael) , and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.

The Arabs have been very weak and neglected till Muhammad (Peace be upon him) came, after God blessed them with Islam, they became a great nation and Islam was prevailed.

Look also at the word "I have blessed him", if Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was a false prophet, God wouldn't have said blessed him, because God won't bless with a lier, but the blessing must be with a prophet who was Muhammad (Peace be upon him).
Waiting for your reply
Thanks

 

[peaceful soul]

Hi NASAg03
Thank you for asking this question. Well, I know that you don't believe in the Quran as God's word. But you do believe in the Bible. The Bible foretold about Muhammad (Peace be upon him). In this post I will try to give you some examples. Of course I have much evidence that Muahmmad (Peace be upon him) is a prophet, but I prefer to prove it from the Bible so as to have a common ground only. In this post I will begin with the first prophecy:
Genesis talks about God's promise to Ishmael:

Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Gen 21:18 Arise, lift up the lad (Ishmael) , and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.

The Arabs have been very weak and neglected till Muhammad (Peace be upon him) came, after God blessed them with Islam, they became a great nation and Islam was prevailed.

Look also at the word "I have blessed him", if Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was a false prophet, God wouldn't have said blessed him, because God won't bless with a lier, but the blessing must be with a prophet who was Muhammad (Peace be upon him).
Waiting for your reply
Thanks

Your are quite off line with your understanding of scripture. I think you should read Genesis chapter 12 through 23 to get the correct picture. God blessed Ishmael through Hagar as per covenant He established with Abraham - to be a blessing to all nations through his seed, but this has nothing to do with Mohammad. The blessing had to do with people - not prophets. It also says that Ishmael will be a "wild man" and will cause emnity among his bretherns. We can clearly see that in the Middle East today.

You are imposing faulty logic when you say that the blessing must be a prophet. That is nowhere found in scripture. A great nation is not a religion either, which Islam is. And please don't try to weave in the notion that Islam is a nation of true believers to circumvent the definition of nation.

Another thing that is not proven is that Mohammad is a descendent of Ishmael.

PS: I am assuming that since you are using the Bible as a reference, you will abide by its context and meaning without disputing it with the Quran when you reach a verse that you don't agree with.

 

[MK11]

Hi peaceful soul
The blessing had to do with people - not prophets.
You are imposing faulty logic when you say that the blessing must be a prophet.

Well, blessing really had to do with prophets. Remember in Genesis 27, when Jacob took the blessing from Esau, what was this blessing? Wasn't it the prophecy?

When God promised Ishmael to be fruitful, if Ishmaelites were really wicked, He won't have said "fruitful", look at Psalms 105:24
And the LORD made his people very fruitful and made them stronger than their foes. (ESV)

Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is the descendant of Ishmael (Peace be upon him) since he is an Arab, whom do you think the descendants of Ishmael are? And who are God's promise to Ishmael (the great nation)?

Till now I can't understand why did God bless Ishmael if you believe that he is a wild man who hates his brothers? If this was the case why does he deserve to be blessed?

Why does God calls his nation great if it is based on hatred and disbelieving in God? If it had been for population, He would have called it "large nation" for example.
Waiting for your reply
Thanks

 

[Snowbunny]

I think the way to test Mohammed is to look at his life, his works, his message, and what the previous prophets and most importantly our lord and savior said about any future prophets and then decide...

 

[Arthra]

MK11 wrote above:

Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Gen 21:18 Arise, lift up the lad (Ishmael) , and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.

The Arabs have been very weak and neglected till Muhammad (Peace be upon him) came, after God blessed them with Islam, they became a great nation and Islam was prevailed.

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I think this is a very important point that MK11 brought up because it is pretty clear that the Arabs were divided into many clans and tribes before the Dispensation of Prophet Muhammad and with the emergence of Islam came the recognition of and consolidation of all these tribes...I don't think anyone can deny that this occurred.

You could say that Moses also united the tribes of Israel through the forty years of wandering in the Sanai.

Also in early Islam there was a concept of a public treasury that was used for the benefit of the people..later distorted by some corrupt Caliphs..but nonetheless it existed. Finally a sense of citizenship and brotherhood among Muslims that was not seen before and still exists today.

- Art

 

[I_are_sceptical]

sorry, how to delete the first post of mine.

<<< Dumb new member.

Everyone posts something they later want to erase. I've done it many times. That doesn't make you dumb.

Welcome to Christian Forums.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

God blessed Ishmael through Hagar as per covenant He established with Abraham - to be a blessing to all nations through his seed, but this has nothing to do with Mohammad. The blessing had to do with people - not prophets.

If God sent a Prophet 1400 years ago to guide the Arabian people, weren't they blessed?

That is like saying no-one is blessed because of Jesus and the New Testament.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

Why should I believe Mohammed is a prophet of God and that he brought forth the true word of God?

I mean, what basis do I have to believe that this man is really a prophet of God, and that the book he wrote is from an angle of God and not from him, his scribe, or Satan?

First pray. Ask God to guide you to what He wants you to believe about Muhammad. Then follow Annette's advice

I think the way to test Mohammed is to look at his life, his works, his message, and what the previous prophets and most importantly our lord and savior said about any future prophets and then decide...

keeping firmly in mind how the earliest Muslims, who knew Muhammad personally, responded to His life, His works, and His message,
and how the Jews used their interpretations of the clear guidance God gave them about the Messiah to reject Jesus' claims.