Trump's offer of National Guard troops not acted upon--select committee has not provided explanation

[cow451]

Y

What happened to Washington D.C. being a sanctuary city, and illegal immigrants supposedly contributing to everyone's best interests?

What happened to staying on topic?

 

[cow451]

Since the Secret Service has already said the event did not happen, I would think a sworn statement could be worked out. It could be done by not revealing anything President Trump did, only what he did NOT do.
The biggest problem is that they work for the Biden administration, and face potential retaliation for going against the narrative of the Democrats.

The Secret Service is under the Department of Homeland Security. I am glad to increase your knowledge about this agency.

 

[cow451]

Everything? What everything? All we have is Hutchinson making an unsubstantiated statement.

Under oath and not contradicted by anyone speaking under oath.

 

[cow451]

Did Trump though? It was my understanding that he wanted Pence not to certify the votes. That's quite different than throw them out and declare him the winner. Or am I mistaken?

You are mistaken. The idea was to not certify the results, allowing time to get fake electors approved.

 

[stevil]

Neither do I....but in this instance we're talking about a political issue in the US.

No, we are talking about the legallity or illegality of actions performed by some bad actors, in this instance they happen to be aligned with the Republican party, but most testifying against them and those that saved the country from this plot were Republican as well. So it is R vs R.

When I hear that someone tried to "overthrow the electoral vote"....

I end up with a bunch of questions that require answers before proceeding.

Yes, that is why the House has undertaken an investigation and is presenting their findings publically, it is just a pity that only a few Republicans decided to join that investigation.

I'm sorry....did you say that the Russian collusion investigation was run by Republicans?

Yes. The first investigation of Russian Collusion was by the FBI in Operation crossfire Hurricane. Comey was the leader of the FBI at the time.

James Comey - Wikipedia
Comey was a registered Republican for most of his life. He donated to Senator John McCain's campaign in the 2008 presidential election and to Governor Mitt Romney's campaign in the 2012 presidential election.He disclosed during congressional testimony in July 2016 that he was no longer registered with any party. In an interview with ABC News in April 2018, Comey said that the Republican Party "left me and many others," and that "these people don't represent anything I believe in.

Once Trump fired Comey in an attempt to stop the investigation.
Rod Rossenstien (Republican) created a Special Counsel investigation to pick up where the FBI left off and to also investigation obstruction of justice. He appointed Robert Mueller

President George W. Bush nominated Mueller for the position of FBI director on July 5, 2001
Mueller, described at the time as a conservative Republican, was always considered the front-runner.

Who is Robert Mueller, the man behind the report on Trump?
He's a Republican born into a wealthy family in New York who attended a tony prep school, graduated an Ivy League university

What's the large play?

There were several. But it seems obvious that you haven't shown interest in the Jan 6th public hearings that have been detailing with eye witness accounts these plays.

I find that unlikely since it would violate the law against a president serving more than twice.

Many electorates are run by Republicans, what is to stop them declaring widespread voter fraud and having their slate of electors vote for Republican candidate rather than respect the vote count from the people?

Aren't there more poor whites than any minority group?

What is your point?

What do you mean they're under investigation.

Isn't that what I said?

They either did something illegal or didn't.

Have any of these fake electors been charged with a crime?

They are under investigation

 

[Ana the Ist]

No, we are talking about the legallity or illegality of actions performed by some bad actors,

I don't think so. It's theatre...you're just engrossed in the plot.

Yes, that is why the House has undertaken an investigation and is presenting their findings publically, it is just a pity that only a few Republicans decided to join that investigation.

The investigation from a year ago? Is this the same one?

You got Miller's testimony in writing a year ago...and the Democratic Party is asking him about what he already wrote down?

Yes. The first investigation of Russian Collusion was by the FBI in Operation crossfire Hurricane. Comey was the leader of the FBI at the time.

James Comey - Wikipedia
Comey was a registered Republican for most of his life. He donated to Senator John McCain's campaign in the 2008 presidential election and to Governor Mitt Romney's campaign in the 2012 presidential election.He disclosed during congressional testimony in July 2016 that he was no longer registered with any party. In an interview with ABC News in April 2018, Comey said that the Republican Party "left me and many others," and that "these people don't represent anything I believe in.

Once Trump fired Comey in an attempt to stop the investigation.
Rod Rossenstien (Republican) created a Special Counsel investigation to pick up where the FBI left off and to also investigation obstruction of justice. He appointed Robert Mueller

President George W. Bush nominated Mueller for the position of FBI director on July 5, 2001
Mueller, described at the time as a conservative Republican, was always considered the front-runner.

Who is Robert Mueller, the man behind the report on Trump?
He's a Republican born into a wealthy family in New York who attended a tony prep school, graduated an Ivy League university

FBI Director isn't a political office. At least, it's not supposed to be. Regardless, Comey didn't request the investigation.

There were several. But it seems obvious that you haven't shown interest in the Jan 6th public hearings that have been detailing with eye witness accounts these plays.

Are they doing eye witnesses now?

Many electorates are run by Republicans, what is to stop them declaring widespread voter fraud and having their slate of electors vote for Republican candidate rather than respect the vote count from the people?

Are you aware what the electoral college is for?

It's not there because the founders trusted the will of the people.

What is your point?

What's yours?

Isn't that what I said?


They are under investigation

You said they undoubtedly committed a crime....this is over a year and a half ago. Why haven't they been charged?

They either tried to steal the election or not.

 

[stevil]

You said they undoubtedly committed a crime....this is over a year and a half ago. Why haven't they been charged?

They either tried to steal the election or not.

It's under investigation.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's been all over the media for months. It wasn't trying to exploit a legal loophole. It was wholeheartedly illegal. Many of Trump's lawyers were telling Trump it was illegal. It was really only Eastman and Giuliani that were pushing to give it a go. Eastman has kept denying that he was giving advice on this. Many of those people that signed the fake electors forms are now under official investigation.

Just to add to this with some evidence from Jan 5. A memo from the VP's legal team about Eastman's ideas.

"Professor Eastman acknowledges that his proposal violates several provisions of statutory law."

The Veep lawyers agree it wasn't going to fly.

 

[rjs330]

Under oath and not contradicted by anyone speaking under oath.

Oh, we know that no one liea under oath. Oh wait we've had convictions for that. It's still hearsay. And this must have cooberation. It's just hearsay until it does.

 

[rjs330]

You are mistaken. The idea was to not certify the results, allowing time to get fake electors approved.

Huh?

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's under investigation.

They didn't use body doubles and sneak their way into an Ocean's 11 style heist....

They tried to cast some votes, right?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Huh?

The states in question had already determined their duly appointed Biden electors in December. This is when Mitch McConnell correctly (if belatedly) noted that the election was over. None of the states was doing anything to change the electors. Nor was there any real mechanism to do so.

The Eastman plan was for the VP to 'skip' some of the states, and call for a mulligan, asking the states to pick which slate of electors was the 'correct' one. The Biden slate, appointed on the basis of the official election results. Or the Trump slate, secretly appointed in the dead of night in the basement of the state house on the basis of the Trump Campaign told us to.

So the plan was to throw things back to the states.

But even Eastman knew the plan was unlawful.

LegalAnalysis

Professor Eastman acknowledges that his proposal violates several provisions of statutory law.

 

[stevil]

They didn't use body doubles and sneak their way into an Ocean's 11 style heist....

They tried to cast some votes, right?

Rather than making up nonsense as above.

Look it up. It's easy to do an internet search and discover the details of the plan and who is currently under investigation by whom and who have been issues subpoenas.
You probably won't find any mention of it by the Federalist or Hannity or Carlson or Brieghtbart so you may have to expand your list of information sources.

 

[essentialsaltes]

They tried to cast some votes, right?

They conspired to sign a fraudulent election document and mailed it to the National Archives.

 

[JosephZ]

They didn't use body doubles and sneak their way into an Ocean's 11 style heist....

They tried to cast some votes, right?

The Fake Electors Scheme, Explained

The Trump plan began with an effort to persuade Republican officials in the targeted states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — to help draft, or to put their names on, documents that declared Mr. Trump to be the victor.

That effort was largely led by lawyers close to Mr. Trump, like Rudolph W. Giuliani and John Eastman, who sometimes communicated directly with local points of contact in the state, or by lawyers who worked in the states themselves and dealt with Mr. Giuliani, Mr. Eastman or with Mr. Trump’s campaign aides.

Their stated rationale was that Mr. Biden’s victories in those states would be overturned once they could establish their claims of widespread voting fraud and other irregularities, and that it was only prudent to have the “alternate” slates of electors in place for that eventuality.

But, as Mr. Trump had been told by his campaign aides and eventually even his attorney general, there were no legitimate claims of fraud sufficient to change the outcome of the race, and the seven states all certified Mr. Biden’s Electoral College victory on Dec. 14, 2020. Mr. Trump and his allies barreled ahead with the electors plan nonetheless, with an increasing focus on using the ceremonial congressional certification process on Jan. 6 to derail the transfer of power.

Ultimately, several dozen of Mr. Trump’s allies in the states signed false slates of electors, and most were unequivocal in their contention that Mr. Trump had won. But in Pennsylvania and New Mexico, local officials who drafted the documents included a caveat, saying that they should only be considered if Mr. Trump prevailed in the many lawsuits he and his allies had filed challenging the election, and was legally the winner.

Once the false pro-Trump slates had been created, Mr. Trump and his allies turned to the second part of the plan: strong-arming Mr. Pence into considering them during the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6. The point was to persuade Mr. Pence to say that the election was somehow flawed or in doubt.

“We would just be sending in ‘fake’ electoral votes to Pence so that ‘someone’ in Congress can make an objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that the ‘fake’ votes should be counted,” Jack Wilenchik, a pro-Trump lawyer based in Arizona, wrote in an email to his colleagues.

Any number of outcomes could have worked in Mr. Trump’s favor.

Most simply, Mr. Trump and his allies sought to convince Mr. Pence to count the pro-Trump slates, reject those saying Mr. Biden had won and thus unilaterally keep the former president in office.

Alternatively, the Trump team hoped that Mr. Pence might declare the election to be irreparably defective and, under the Electoral Count Act of 1887, let state delegations in the House of Representatives decide the election themselves, a process that would also have given Mr. Trump his victory.

In yet a third option, Mr. Trump and his allies thought Mr. Pence could choose to delay the certification of the electors count, providing the former president with more time to prove his claims of fraud or mount a last-ditch challenge in a Supreme Court case.

At Least 3 Investigations Involve the Fake Electors

In Georgia, the Fulton County district attorney, Fani T. Willis, has notified 16 people who identified themselves as the state’s pro-Trump electors that they are targets in an ongoing criminal investigation into efforts to overturn the election results in Georgia.

In Washington, the Justice Department’s inspector general obtained a warrant to search the home of a former department official, Jeffrey Clark, as part of its 18-month long investigation into attempts by Justice Department employees to undo the election.

A federal grand jury this spring issued subpoenas to some pro-Trump electors and Republican officials requesting information about several lawyers closely allied with Mr. Trump and the electors scheme, including Mr. Giuliani, Mr. Eastman, Jenna Ellis, who worked with Mr. Giuliani, and Mr. Chesebro. The subpoenas also sought information about any employees of Mr. Trump or his campaign who knew about the plan.

Some pro-Trump elector slates were filed with the National Archives. It is a federal crime to knowingly submit false statements or documentation to a federal agency for an undue end.

 

[stevil]

They didn't use body doubles and sneak their way into an Ocean's 11 style heist....

They tried to cast some votes, right?

One lot were planning on hiding in the building overnight.
Plan for fake Trump electors to hide in Michigan Capitol overnight revealed
They didn't go through with that plan though.
Laura Cox, the former Michigan Republican Party Chair, told the committee during a pre-recorded deposition that she was told that the “Michigan Republican electors were planning to meet in the Capitol and hide overnight so that they could fulfil the role of casting their vote, per law, in the Michigan chambers”.

Ms Cox said she responded that the plan was “insane and inappropriate”.


But yeah, you know, don't ask me about the details, look them up. Do your own research, if you are interested. If you are not interested, then there is no point me telling you what I have found from my own internet searches.

 

[rjs330]

FBI Director isn't a political office. At least, it's not supposed to be. Regardless, Comey didn't request the investigation.

No, I believe he just started an investigation into Russian interference in his own. This lead to accusations of him being part of the deep state in trying to get rid of Trump.

After Comey was fired, and rightfully so, Rosenstein asked for the special council and he was a Trump appointee.

Yes the Democrats really wanted this, but they were not the ones that appointed the investigation. Therw were a lot of people including Republicans at the time who were after Trump. That guy got it from both sides and the deep state went after h with both barrels along with the lame stream media.

 

[Ana the Ist]

One lot were planning on hiding in the building overnight.
Plan for fake Trump electors to hide in Michigan Capitol overnight revealed
They didn't go through with that plan though.
Laura Cox, the former Michigan Republican Party Chair, told the committee during a pre-recorded deposition that she was told that the “Michigan Republican electors were planning to meet in the Capitol and hide overnight so that they could fulfil the role of casting their vote, per law, in the Michigan chambers”.

Ms Cox said she responded that the plan was “insane and inappropriate”.


But yeah, you know, don't ask me about the details, look them up. Do your own research, if you are interested. If you are not interested, then there is no point me telling you what I have found from my own internet searches.

I'm not interested....

Generally speaking, when you're caught committing a crime, there isn't some 1.5 year investigation that follows where people try to figure out what crime you committed.

 

[Ana the Ist]

They conspired to sign a fraudulent election document and mailed it to the National Archives.

I'm sorry, were talking about electors here...right?

As in the electoral college? As in the people who actually vote for the president?

 

[Arcangl86]

I'm sorry, were talking about electors here...right?

As in the electoral college? As in the people who actually vote for the president?

No, we are talking about people who were pretending to be electors.