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To be fair, Trump didn't cause the pandemic. He bungled the response, and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands more Americans than would have died if he had competently addressed the issue.
Not true.
A large part of the economic disaster, (from which the United States is still recovering) was his fault. But not all of it
Not true.
 
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To be fair, Trump didn't cause the pandemic. He bungled the response, and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands more Americans than would have died if he had competently addressed the issue.
Not true.
Absolutely true:
The US could have averted 40% of the deaths from Covid-19, had the country’s death rates corresponded with the rates in other high-income G7 countries, according to a Lancet commission tasked with assessing Donald Trump’s health policy record.

Almost 470,000 Americans have died from the coronavirus so far, with the number widely expected to go above half a million in the next few weeks. At the same time some 27 million people in the US have been infected. Both figures are by far the highest in the world.

In seeking to respond to the pandemic, Trump has been widely condemned for not taking the pandemic seriously enough soon enough, spreading conspiracy theories, not encouraging mask wearing and undermining scientists and others seeking to combat the virus’s spread.

...
“The US has fared so badly with this pandemic, but the bungling can’t be attributed only to Mr Trump..."

Due to exponential viral spread, our delay in action was devastating. In the wake of the U.S. response, 117,858 Americans died in the four months following the first 15 confirmed cases. After an equivalent period, Germany suffered only 8,863 casualties. Scaling up the German population of 83.7 million to America’s 331 million, a U.S.-sized Germany would have suffered 35,049 Covid-19 deaths. So if the U.S. had acted as effectively as Germany, 70% of U.S. coronavirus deaths might have been prevented.

A large part of the economic disaster, (from which the United States is still recovering) was his fault. But not all of it


Not true.
Absolutely true.
The economic toll of the COVID-19 pandemic in the U.S. will reach US$14 trillion by the end of 2023, our team of economists, public policy researchers and other experts have estimated.


Putting a price tag on all the pain, suffering and upheaval Americans and people around the world have experienced because of COVID-19 is, of course, hard to do. More than 1.1 million people have died as a result of COVID-19 in the U.S., and many more have been hospitalized or lost loved ones. Based on data from the first 30 months of the pandemic, we forecast the scale of total economic losses over a four-year period, from January 2020 to December 2023.


Fortunately, the U.S. economy is recovering faster under Biden than it is in most wealthy nations:


Economic performance since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic has been very heterogenous across countries. While real GDP in the U.S. has already returned to its pre-pandemic trend, advanced foreign economies (AFEs) experienced a much weaker recovery, both relative to the U.S. and to their own pre-pandemic trend.2 In some countries, the gap between real GDP and its pre-pandemic trend has kept widening, suggesting continued scarring from the crisis as well as some new headwinds.
 
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Trump didn't cause the pandemic.
Francis Collins director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) lifted a three-year moratorium on funding gain-of-function research, which involves making pathogens more deadly or transmissible. This decision, announced in December 2017. The Biden administration fired him so Trump did not know what was going on. But Trump is just as much to blame because he declared war on China. Ending the sweetheart deal Hillary had with them under the Clinton administration. It looks like Collins pockets are stuffed with payola.

We funded the weapon of war that China used against us.
 
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Francis Collins director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) lifted a three-year moratorium on funding gain-of-function research, which involves making pathogens more deadly or transmissible. This decision, announced in December 2017. The Biden administration fired him so Trump did not know what was going on.
Turns out that's not where COVID-19 came from. Nor did Biden fire him.

A physician-geneticist, Dr. Collins took office as the 16th NIH director on August 17, 2009, after being appointed by President Barack Obama and confirmed by the U.S. Senate. In 2017, he was asked to continue in his role by President Donald Trump, and in 2021, by President Joe Biden. Prior to becoming the NIH director, Dr. Collins served as the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI) from 1993-2008, where he led the international Human Genome Project, which culminated in April 2003 with the completion of a finished sequence of the human DNA instruction book.

No one asked him to leave; he's retired from NIH. Interesting guy, Dr. Collins. Raised in a home indifferent to religion, he became a Christian as an adult and has worked to help people in the sciences come to God.

But Trump is just as much to blame because he declared war on China.
Not actually. But during the insurrection, the Chinese were sufficiently worried, that the Chinese secretary of defense equivalent called Gen Miley for reassurance that Trump wouldn't do anything stupid to start a war.

Milley: Beijing’s fears of U.S. attack prompted call to Chinese general

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/28/milley-china-congress-hearing-514488

Ending the sweetheart deal Hillary had with them under the Clinton administration.
I notice, though, that Ivanka Trump got all sorts of special consideration for her business by the Chinese leadership.

Ivanka Trump won China trademarks days before her father's reversal on ZTE

Watchdog group says the timing of the approvals ‘raises significant questions about corruption’
 
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To be fair, Trump didn't cause the pandemic. He bungled the response, and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands more Americans than would have died if he had competently addressed the issue.

Absolutely true:
The US could have averted 40% of the deaths from Covid-19, had the country’s death rates corresponded with the rates in other high-income G7 countries, according to a Lancet commission tasked with assessing Donald Trump’s health policy record.

Almost 470,000 Americans have died from the coronavirus so far, with the number widely expected to go above half a million in the next few weeks. At the same time some 27 million people in the US have been infected. Both figures are by far the highest in the world.

In seeking to respond to the pandemic, Trump has been widely condemned for not taking the pandemic seriously enough soon enough, spreading conspiracy theories, not encouraging mask wearing and undermining scientists and others seeking to combat the virus’s spread.

...
“The US has fared so badly with this pandemic, but the bungling can’t be attributed only to Mr Trump..."

Due to exponential viral spread, our delay in action was devastating. In the wake of the U.S. response, 117,858 Americans died in the four months following the first 15 confirmed cases. After an equivalent period, Germany suffered only 8,863 casualties. Scaling up the German population of 83.7 million to America’s 331 million, a U.S.-sized Germany would have suffered 35,049 Covid-19 deaths. So if the U.S. had acted as effectively as Germany, 70% of U.S. coronavirus deaths might have been prevented.

A large part of the economic disaster, (from which the United States is still recovering) was his fault. But not all of it



Absolutely true.
The economic toll of the COVID-19 pandemic in the U.S. will reach US$14 trillion by the end of 2023, our team of economists, public policy researchers and other experts have estimated.


Putting a price tag on all the pain, suffering and upheaval Americans and people around the world have experienced because of COVID-19 is, of course, hard to do. More than 1.1 million people have died as a result of COVID-19 in the U.S., and many more have been hospitalized or lost loved ones. Based on data from the first 30 months of the pandemic, we forecast the scale of total economic losses over a four-year period, from January 2020 to December 2023.


Fortunately, the U.S. economy is recovering faster under Biden than it is in most wealthy nations:


Economic performance since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic has been very heterogenous across countries. While real GDP in the U.S. has already returned to its pre-pandemic trend, advanced foreign economies (AFEs) experienced a much weaker recovery, both relative to the U.S. and to their own pre-pandemic trend.2 In some countries, the gap between real GDP and its pre-pandemic trend has kept widening, suggesting continued scarring from the crisis as well as some new headwinds.
Nancy Pelosi, "Come to China Town. It is safe."

Kamala discourages people to take the COVID vaccine because Operation Warp Speed pushed a vaccine through in record time. Perhaps Trump's response was too quick for some.

Donald Trump was accused of being racist for wanting to ban travel to stop the spread of COVID into the country.

You can blame Trump all you want. But it doesn't change the fact that Trump's early response to the pandemic was done in spite of Democrat resistance. I would argue that the 40% of deaths could have been prevented had Democrats not gotten in the way and listened to Trump.
 
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No one asked him to leave; he's retired from NIH.
Yes of course he retired. So if he retired why is he still working?

Francis Collins stepped down as the director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in December 2021 after serving for over 12 years. Since then, he has been working at the National Human Genome Research Institute lab at the NIH2. His current focus is on continuing research in genetics, including work on health issues like cystic fibrosis, type 2 diabetes, and progeria.

I can not endorse Collins and his sloppy Theistic Evolution. Although I still believe in Theistic Evolution, it is pretty much undefined at this point. Other than the generic definition.

Theistic evolution, also known as evolutionary creationism, is the belief that God or a higher power used the process of evolution to create the different species of living creatures on Earth. It's an attempt to reconcile the scientific theory of evolution with religious beliefs, suggesting that God works through natural processes rather than creating life in a single, miraculous event.

Although I do not believe that frame shift is a mutation. DNA has mechanisms to correct errors. Just like Hebrew is self correcting. That is why the Hebrew Bible does not have any significant errors.

I just do not see any conflict or contradiction between Science and the Bible. They have the ability to correct each other. But Jesus warned us about people and their traditions. Matthew 15:3-9 (NIV): Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?

Matthew 23:23-28 (NIV): “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.”

These passages highlight Jesus' concern that religious traditions and rituals should not overshadow the core principles of faith, such as justice, mercy, and genuine devotion to God.
 
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Yes of course he retired. So if he retired why is he still working?
Millions of people retire from the government and then move on to other jobs. Nothing unusual there, and certainly nothing to build a giant conspiracy theory on top of.
 
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You can blame Trump all you want. But it doesn't change the fact that Trump's early response to the pandemic was done in spite of Democrat resistance. I would argue that the 40% of deaths could have been prevented had Democrats not gotten in the way and listened to Trump.
Doctors and epidemiologists say otherwise. And it's not hard to see why:

‘We have it totally under control.’ A timeline of President Donald Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic

Jan. 22: A reporter asks if there are worries about a pandemic. Trump responds:


“No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine.”

Jan. 24: Trump tweets, “It will all work out well.”

Jan. 30: Trump blocks travel from China.



The same night, he holds a campaign rally in Iowa.

“We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. … we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it.”

Feb. 2: Trump tells Fox News host Sean Hannity, “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

Feb. 24: Stock market plummets as Dow Jones Industrials falls more than 1,000 points.



The same day, Trump asks for $1.25 billion in emergency aid. It grows to $8.3 billion in Congress. He tweets that the virus “is very much under control” and the stock market “starting to look very good to me!”

March 4: House passes $8.3 billion emergency bill, aimed mainly at the immediate health response to the virus.



In a Fox News interview, Trump deflects criticism to his response by saying the Obama administration (including the vice president, Joe Biden) “didn’t do anything about” swine flu. We rated the claim False.


Trump continues to blame the Obama administration in an exchange with reporters at the White House.


“The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing.”

Our fact-check shows the process dated back to 2006, before Obama took office. So the claim is False.

March 4: House passes $8.3 billion emergency bill, aimed mainly at the immediate health response to the virus.



In a Fox News interview, Trump deflects criticism to his response by saying the Obama administration (including the vice president, Joe Biden) “didn’t do anything about” swine flu. We rated the claim False.


Trump continues to blame the Obama administration in an exchange with reporters at the White House.


“The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing.”

Our fact-check shows the process dated back to 2006, before Obama took office. So the claim is False.

March 17: Trump said in a news conference that for the next 14 days, “we’re asking everyone to work at home, if possible, postpone unnecessary travel, and limit social gatherings to no more than 10 people.”



Trump says there was no shift in tone from the White House.


“I’ve always known this is a real, this is a pandemic. I’ve felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”
As this timeline shows, Trump minimized the threat of a pandemic for many weeks.

His bungling and misinformation ended up killing hundreds of thousands of Americans.


President Donald Trump acknowledged the dangers of the coronavirus pandemic in a February interview with journalist Bob Woodward and acknowledged downplaying the threat in an interview a month later, according to an account of Woodward's new book.

“I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down because I don't want to create a panic," Trump said in a March 19 call with Woodward, according to an audio clip posted Wednesday on The Washington Post's website. The newspaper obtained a copy of the book, "Rage," which is scheduled to be released next week.

In the same interview, Trump acknowledged that the disease was more deadly than he previously thought.

"Now it's turning out it's not just old people, Bob. But just today, and yesterday, some startling facts came out. It's not just old, older," Trump said, according to an audio clip, and then added, "young people, too, plenty of young people."

 
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Yes of course he retired. So if he retired why is he still working?
He's retired from administrative work and now focusing on research. Scientists consider administration to be a duty, but not a desirable one.

Although I do not believe that frame shift is a mutation.
A frameshift mutation is a genetic mutation that occurs when a DNA sequence is altered by the insertion or deletion of a number of nucleotides that is not a multiple of three:

A mutation is a change in the DNA sequence of an organism.
These passages highlight Jesus' concern that religious traditions and rituals should not overshadow the core principles of faith, such as justice, mercy, and genuine devotion to God.
Today's winner.
 
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Doctors and epidemiologists say otherwise. And it's not hard to see why:

‘We have it totally under control.’ A timeline of President Donald Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic

Jan. 22: A reporter asks if there are worries about a pandemic. Trump responds:




Jan. 24: Trump tweets, “It will all work out well.”

Jan. 30: Trump blocks travel from China.



The same night, he holds a campaign rally in Iowa.



Feb. 2: Trump tells Fox News host Sean Hannity, “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

Feb. 24: Stock market plummets as Dow Jones Industrials falls more than 1,000 points.



The same day, Trump asks for $1.25 billion in emergency aid. It grows to $8.3 billion in Congress. He tweets that the virus “is very much under control” and the stock market “starting to look very good to me!”

March 4: House passes $8.3 billion emergency bill, aimed mainly at the immediate health response to the virus.



In a Fox News interview, Trump deflects criticism to his response by saying the Obama administration (including the vice president, Joe Biden) “didn’t do anything about” swine flu. We rated the claim False.


Trump continues to blame the Obama administration in an exchange with reporters at the White House.




Our fact-check shows the process dated back to 2006, before Obama took office. So the claim is False.

March 4: House passes $8.3 billion emergency bill, aimed mainly at the immediate health response to the virus.



In a Fox News interview, Trump deflects criticism to his response by saying the Obama administration (including the vice president, Joe Biden) “didn’t do anything about” swine flu. We rated the claim False.


Trump continues to blame the Obama administration in an exchange with reporters at the White House.




Our fact-check shows the process dated back to 2006, before Obama took office. So the claim is False.

March 17: Trump said in a news conference that for the next 14 days, “we’re asking everyone to work at home, if possible, postpone unnecessary travel, and limit social gatherings to no more than 10 people.”



Trump says there was no shift in tone from the White House.



As this timeline shows, Trump minimized the threat of a pandemic for many weeks.

His bungling and misinformation ended up killing hundreds of thousands of Americans.


President Donald Trump acknowledged the dangers of the coronavirus pandemic in a February interview with journalist Bob Woodward and acknowledged downplaying the threat in an interview a month later, according to an account of Woodward's new book.

“I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down because I don't want to create a panic," Trump said in a March 19 call with Woodward, according to an audio clip posted Wednesday on The Washington Post's website. The newspaper obtained a copy of the book, "Rage," which is scheduled to be released next week.

In the same interview, Trump acknowledged that the disease was more deadly than he previously thought.

"Now it's turning out it's not just old people, Bob. But just today, and yesterday, some startling facts came out. It's not just old, older," Trump said, according to an audio clip, and then added, "young people, too, plenty of young people."

Nope. Not buying it. There is no evidence that suggests that the covid deaths would have been any different if Trump wasn't in charge. I would argue that we would still be waiting for a vaccine if he wasn't.
 
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We funded the weapon of war that China used against us.
That's absurd. I happen to have degrees in bacteriology and immunology. I had friends working on biological warfare in the 1970s. The ideal biological weapon is one that suddenly infects the majority of people in a specific area, in a very short time, killing or incapacitating most of them, and then goes away. COVID-19 is the precise opposite of such a pathogen.

No microbiologist in his right mind would consider COVID-19 or anything like it to be a suitable pathogen to weaponize.
 
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‘We have it totally under control.’ A timeline of President Donald Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic

Nope. Not buying it.
That's the funny thing about reality; it doesn't care what you think of it. That timeline is documented, and quotes Trump's changing stories as he let the pandemic get out of control.

There is no evidence that suggests that the covid deaths would have been any different if Trump wasn't in charge.
Epidemiologists and physicians have found that hundreds of thousands of deaths would have been prevented if Trump had done the right things. And they actually know what they are talking about.

I would argue that we would still be waiting for a vaccine if he wasn't.
That's absurd; the one thing Trump did right was pushing for a vaccine, but before he became involved, manufacturers and other nations were pushing forward to get a vaccine ready.
 
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No microbiologist in his right mind would consider COVID-19 or anything like it to be a suitable pathogen to weaponize.
The proof is in the pudding no matter what your so called expert opinion is. We had a man made plague just as the Bible said. Now you want to argue if it was intentional or an accident. My mom had a degree in bacteriology. She got A's in chemistry. The reason is she wanted to marry a doctor so she sighed up for the premed classes. She had two doctors that wanted to marry her, so she choose the one that was the most handsome. That maybe why her kids are so good looking. But she loved to clean them up and dress them real good to put on a good show.

Because you are an expert then you know that the general opinion with the so called experts was to ban research on high risk pathogens. Francis Collins as the head of NIH had 3 billion dollars burning a hole in his pocket and he removed the ban. So we had a plague from a man made virus. He retired from a job where he was stuffing lots of payola in his pocket that he was willing to take a high risk the way he did.

Actually the bat lady went into the bat cave that was really a mine and where they got metal from to make weapons. Anyways, your not interested in this so we do not have to talk about it. If you say it was a accident and not intentioned I can not say one way or the other. But there is a huge cover up. They cleaned up the internet and all of the articles are gone so no one has any evidence for anything at this point in time.

They do not even admit that it was a general in the Chinese army that ws running the Wuhan Institute of virology. Our foreign exchange student from China was from Wuhan. He admitted to me that his dad drove the truck from China to North Vietnam to deliver weapons of destruction for THAT war. Or are you going to deny the Vietnam war ever happened?

The bottom line is that Jesus is going to return and clean this man made mess up. So we have a bright future to look forward to. We can not make a big enough mess that God can not clean it up.
 
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That's absurd; the one thing Trump did right was pushing for a vaccine, but before he became involved, manufacturers and other nations were pushing forward to get a vaccine ready.
Hook, line and sinker. Big brother taught you well. I guess you did not read the book.
 
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Hook, line and sinker.
Well, let's take a look...
On 24 June 2020, China approved the CanSino vaccine for limited use in the military and two inactivated virus vaccines for emergency use in high-risk occupations.[13] On 11 August 2020, Russia announced the approval of its Sputnik V vaccine for emergency use, though one month later only small amounts of the vaccine had been distributed for use outside of the phase 3 trial.[14]

The Pfizer–BioNTech partnership submitted an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (active ingredient tozinameran) on 20 November 2020.[15][16] On 2 December 2020,


Hook, line, and sinker.
Big brother taught you well.

Sorry about your book.
 
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The proof is in the pudding no matter what your so called expert opinion is.
That's how it has to work if it's to be used as a weapon. Learn more about it here:

My mom had a degree in bacteriology. She got A's in chemistry. The reason is she wanted to marry a doctor so she sighed up for the premed classes. She had two doctors that wanted to marry her, so she choose the one that was the most handsome. That maybe why her kids are so good looking. But she loved to clean them up and dress them real good to put on a good show.
My goodness.

So we had a plague from a man made virus. He retired from a job where he was stuffing lots of payola in his pocket that he was willing to take a high risk the way he did.
Big Brother has taught you well.

But there is a huge cover up. They cleaned up the internet and all of the articles are gone so no one has any evidence for anything at this point in time.
Hard to get everything off the internet...

Or are you going to deny the Vietnam war ever happened?
If it hadn't, my life would have been a lot different.

The bottom line is that Jesus is going to return and clean this man made mess up. So we have a bright future to look forward to. We can not make a big enough mess that God can not clean it up.
Which is not license to try. Think.
 
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Big Brother has taught you well.
"Biological Warfare: Infectious Disease and Bioterrorism" is a comprehensive topic that covers the use of biological agents (like bacteria, viruses, fungi, and toxins) to cause harm or death in humans, animals, or plants. This can be done intentionally, as in bioterrorism, or as part of warfare1.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) categorizes potential bioterrorism agents into three categories based on their threat level. Category A includes high-priority agents like anthrax, botulism, and smallpox, which pose a risk to national security due to their ease of dissemination and high mortality rates. Category B includes agents that are moderately easy to disseminate and cause moderate morbidity and low mortality, such as brucellosis and Q fever. Category C includes emerging pathogens that could be engineered for mass dissemination in the future, like Nipah virus and hantavirus.

The World Health Organization (WHO) emphasizes the importance of preparedness and response to biological threats, including strengthening public health surveillance, improving biosafety and biosecurity, and enhancing communication between multiple sectors.
 
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The World Health Organization (WHO) emphasizes the importance of preparedness and response to biological threats, including strengthening public health surveillance, improving biosafety and biosecurity, and enhancing communication between multiple sectors.
President Obama was ahead of the curve on this. When ebola entered the US, he put together a pandemic response team, that effectively contained the virus. And it became a permanent team, ready for the next event. Trump abolished it.

Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised

WASHINGTON (AP) — Public health and national security experts shake their heads when President Donald Trump says the coronavirus “came out of nowhere” and “blindsided the world.”

They’ve been warning about the next pandemic for years and criticized the Trump administration’s decision in 2018 to dismantle a National Security Council directorate at the White House charged with preparing for when, not if, another pandemic would hit the nation.

“It would be nice if the office was still there,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institute of Health, told Congress this week.
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Trump’s elimination of the office suggested, along with his proposed budget cuts for the CDC, that he did not see the threat of pandemics in the same way that many experts in the field did.

“One year later I was mystified when the White House dissolved the office, leaving the country less prepared for pandemics like COVID-19,” Beth Cameron, the first director of the unit, wrote in an op-ed Friday in The Washington Post.

She said the directorate was set up to be the “smoke alarm” and get ahead of emergencies and sound a warning at the earliest sign of fire — “all with the goal of avoiding a six-alarm fire.”

It’s impossible to assess the impact of the 2018 decision to disband the unit, she said. Cameron noted that biological experts remain at the White House, but she says it’s clear that eliminating the office contributed to what she called a “sluggish domestic response.”


And hundreds of thousands of Americans died because we weren't ready.
 
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