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Trump's closing argument? Really???

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AlexB23

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That is the problem, people need to be able to work with each other. Even if there are area where they do not agree.
Agreed. Spoken like a true moderate. :) We have lost that in our society, as less people want to work together and make compromises compared to just a decade ago.
 
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He wasn't saying horrible things about war veterans. He said that getting captured by the enemy doesn't make someone a war hero. He even went as far as to say that McCain may be a hero, but getting captured doesn't make him one. Is there a point that you are trying to make or are you just going to post Trump bashing in some futile effort to change my mind about Trump? Because the fact is that Trump has taken more bullets for this country than the vast majority of military veterans, and far more than Kamala is willing to take. By the way, I already voted. Republican all the way.
I'm not trying to change your mind, and it is obvious you would vote for Trump, you didn't even need to say it.


Who in their right mind would make a comment to say that being captured doesn't make someone a war hero?

Most people would show sympathy for a person being a prisoner of war.
Some people pay for their valour by being killed, some people get captured, some people get wounded and even maimed in war, some people come back from war and suffer endless nightmares,
These are the costs, the sacrifices that people make when they go to war to fight for their country.
 
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He said that getting captured by the enemy doesn't make someone a war hero. He even went as far as to say that McCain may be a hero, but getting captured doesn't make him one.
There was a video of Roberta McCain in an elevator who said the same thing circa 2020.
As a Constituant of John McCain, I was definitely a "hold your nose and vote" only because he was the Republican Candidate and the alternative was worse, in my opinion.

He is now a patron saint of the Democrat Party.
The democrats are invoking his name in an attempt to appeal to Republicans in Arizona.
However, I am fresh out of closepins.

Speak no ill of the dead.
McCain was a good enough man
'Nuff said.
 
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Nope. I kinda like it here off the DNC plantation and Trump has been good to me. So I have no reason to move out of this lovely basket of very fine people that the left call "deplorables."
Ya, it is hard to talk someone out of a delusion.
 
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Who in their right mind would make a comment to say that being captured doesn't make someone a war hero?
I would. Getting captred by the enemy doesn't make you a hero any more than getting a purple heart because you were careless and ran over an IED in your vehicle. That is what Trump meant and exactly what he said about John McCain and I agree. People raised McCain on a pedestal because he was a POW. But anyone in a combat zone can become a prisoner of war by simply raising a white flag and surrendering to the enemy. Do you think Putin would be praising all the Russian soldiers as heroes because they surrendered to Ukranians? I think not. What makes McCain a hero, in my opinion, is how he conducted himself while captured by the enemy, not the capture itself. Does that make sense?
 
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He is now a patron saint of the Democrat Party.
I've not heard of any Democrat party members or supporters saying the John McCain is a patron saint.

I'm pretty sure most would disagree with his politics.
People do mention that Trump criticised him for being a prisoner of war, meanwhile Trump paid a Dr to say he has bone spurs.
This is a very valid thing for people to bring up when others try to make claims that Trump is brave and a hero for being shot at in assassination attempts.

There are two main things that I remember about McCain.
1. That time when he was campaining for president and a woman in his audience was calling Obama a Muslim and a terrorist, and McCain gently told the lady that Obama is a good man, but just they they have policy differences.
This to me gives the impression that McCain is an honorable man, not resorting to smears or baseless attacks, but wanting to campaign on policy differences.

2. That time that McCain voted against the repeal of the ACA.
I mean, it's fair enough to do a replace if you have a good healthcare plan that you believe is better. But just simply to repeal, just sounds like spite to me. McCain probably saved the lives of many poor people that day.


But other than that, I don't know much about the guy, don't know what his policies were, don't know what other things he voted for or against (I just assume he was a conservative Republican and as such probably voted that way. I'm not from USA and don't generally pay attention to all her politics.
 
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Ya, it is hard to talk someone out of a delusion.
That can be said both ways. But my life experience under the Trump administration cannot be outweighed by Democratic propaganda and fear mongering.
 
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What makes McCain a hero, in my opinion, is how he conducted himself while captured by the enemy, not the capture itself. Does that make sense?
In a sense what makes him and all people that serve their country, heroes is that they have been willing to do this, willing to participate in armed services and willing to put their lives in danger.

Trump himself didn't rise to the occassion. His "bone spurs" shows as a wealthy elite, he paid his way out of doing any service.
 
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We have lost that in our society,
It died with the world war 2 Vets. I use to call then the old timers because I was a baby boomer. The word is a very different place without them. Their desire was to end all wars, a profound and multifaceted goal that involves more than just stopping armed conflict. It means achieving lasting peace, justice, and cooperation between nations and peoples. It requires addressing the root causes of conflict, such as inequality, resources, political power, and social tensions. This vision encompasses global disarmament, diplomatic resolution of disputes, and creating systems that prevent future conflicts.
 
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The 1890's were a golden age. And the Feds wanted a cut.
...the McKinley Tariff Act was extremely unpopular as cost went up significantly for both business and consumers. It cost the Republicans both houses in the election of 1890....and President Harris in 1892, based in part on his support of the tariff.

You want to repeat that again?

Had to amend the Constitution to do it but here we are.
Tariffs are a good way to tax the International Corporations instead of soaking the American peasants.

The American "peasants" will pay as business will pass on the cost.
And btw, those tariffs will impact business large and small. Many rely on import goods to manufacture their goods.
 
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It died with the world war 2 Vets. I use to call then the old timers because I was a baby boomer. The word is a very different place without them. Their desire was to end all wars, a profound and multifaceted goal that involves more than just stopping armed conflict. It means achieving lasting peace, justice, and cooperation between nations and peoples. It requires addressing the root causes of conflict, such as inequality, resources, political power, and social tensions. This vision encompasses global disarmament, diplomatic resolution of disputes, and creating systems that prevent future conflicts.
One could say a lot of things changed after WW2, some for the better, some for the worse.
 
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What makes McCain a hero
Anyone that would drop napalm on women or children is not a hero.

Phan Thi Kim Phuc, often referred to as the "napalm girl," was photographed during the Vietnam War on June 8, 1972. The image, taken by Associated Press photographer Nick Ut, shows her as a nine-year-old child running naked and severely burned after a South Vietnamese napalm attack on her village in Trảng Bàng.

It's a haunting and powerful image that brought global attention to the horrors of war.

 
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The American "peasants" will pay as business will pass on the cost.
And btw, those tariffs will impact business large and small. Many rely on import goods to manufacture their goods.
Yes, the International business don't pay the tariffs. The USA importers pay the tariffs and they then are forced to raise the retail prices to cover that cost. This all leads to inflation as you have pointed out, not just for those imported goods, but for anything that uses those imports to manufacture other goods.
 
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Yes, the International business don't pay the tariffs. The USA importers pay the tariffs and they then are forced to raise the retail prices to cover that cost. This all leads to inflation as you have pointed out, not just for those imported goods, but for anything that uses those imports to manufacture other goods.

Economics 101.

If we slap a tariff on all imports, our trading partners will do the same against us. It will lead to trade war. Everyone loses.

Yet, that is Trump's economic plan. It's makes no economic sense.
 
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That can be said both ways. But my life experience under the Trump administration cannot be outweighed by Democratic propaganda and fear mongering.
Democrats don't need propaganda. Trump's own mouth does the damage. But we don't need Democrats either. Go Independent.
 
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One could say a lot of things changed after WW2, some for the better, some for the worse.
World War II significantly spurred vaccine research and innovation. The war highlighted the need to protect soldiers from infectious diseases, leading to a partnership between the military, academia, and industry to develop vaccines. This collaboration resulted in the creation and improvement of vaccines for diseases like influenza, bacterial pneumonia, and more12.

Now Vaccines and disease has become a weapon of war. Just as the Bible told us.

The Bible mentions plagues and diseases as signs of the end times, particularly in the Book of Revelation. It's a theme that has meaning for many, especially in light of recent global events. The use of biological agents as weapons is a grim reality that underscores the importance of vigilance and ethical considerations in science and warfare.
 
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World War II significantly spurred vaccine research and innovation. The war highlighted the need to protect soldiers from infectious diseases, leading to a partnership between the military, academia, and industry to develop vaccines. This collaboration resulted in the creation and improvement of vaccines for diseases like influenza, bacterial pneumonia, and more12.

Now Vaccines and disease has become a weapon of war. Just as the Bible told us.

The Bible mentions plagues and diseases as signs of the end times, particularly in the Book of Revelation. It's a theme that has meaning for many, especially in light of recent global events. The use of biological agents as weapons is a grim reality that underscores the importance of vigilance and ethical considerations in science and warfare.
Regardless of whether vaccines are good or bad, an increase in disease is happening. So yes, we are getting near the End Days.
 
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Regardless of whether vaccines are good or bad, an increase in disease is happening. So yes, we are getting near the End Days.
Just like the end of days that happened when like half of Europe fell to infectious disease in the 14th c ?
 
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