Trump walked out of shutdown meeting with Democratic lawmakers -Schumer

[Archivist]

No really it's not just that. That would be disingenous & misleading to agree that the above statement and does not concur with the facts.

No, that is one of the definitions of the word.

 

[Queller]

If true a proper response.

When one side comes to a negotiation without even considering the other side’s view it’s called an ultimatum.

"if you're not going to fund my wall then there's nothing to discuss" is absolutely an ultimatum. I think you've got it backwards who gave said ultimatum though.

 

[Queller]

Not correct. Trump has considered and even agreed to the DACA provisions.

The last offer last year he accepted all 1.8 million of the Dreamers (Dem counter proposal) if they expanded on GOP immigration reforms. He did this so the bill would pass the Senate.

Are you talking about the bill from Jan 2018 which he worked out with Schumer? Which John Kelly later called and told Schumer that it wasn't far enough right? The one that Trump then reneged on even though he negotiated it?

SCHUMER: I put 'the wall' on the table in my meeting with Trump, but he backed out of the deal

 

[redleghunter]

"if you're not going to fund my wall then there's nothing to discuss" is absolutely an ultimatum. I think you've got it backwards who gave said ultimatum though.

Not if you know what they were getting already. All of DACA.

 

[redleghunter]

Are you talking about the bill from Jan 2018 which he worked out with Schumer? Which John Kelly later called and told Schumer that it wasn't far enough right? The one that Trump then reneged on even though he negotiated it?

SCHUMER: I put 'the wall' on the table in my meeting with Trump, but he backed out of the deal

Trump offered 800K DACA, Dems countered with 1.8 mil, Trump said yes but to get GOP senate approval there would need to be immigration reforms closing loopholes included. Dems let it die.

 

[Pedra]

Not at all, I'm simply denying that once someone becomes President of the United States that means he's not supposed to be criticized for the things he's doing wrong.

I see no where , anyone denied that "once someone becomes President of the USA that means he's not supposed to be criticized for the things he's doing wrong."
That was not your point you were making at in the post I quoted. It was to slyly flip Jack's sentence around and imply that the POTUS was a confessed sexual predator and worse then Clinton. Many would disagree with you , like the women who said clinton raped them, or his aid.

 

[Pedra]

uhmmm...here's what Merriam -Webster says:

If you want to argue with the dictionary that's fine and if you do so, please I'm pretty sure a lot of us would be interested in how that turns out...in another thread of course.
tulc(will be watching for that thread)

Oh pahleeze you really cannot try to change the meaning of a Coven to get Hillary off the hook. We all know what a coven is & and we know what it is an assembly of - and the Bible speaks very succinctly what GOD's view of witchcraft is.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Trump offered 800K DACA, Dems countered with 1.8 mil, Trump said yes but to get GOP senate approval there would need to be immigration reforms closing loopholes included. Dems let it die.

Trump never agreed to the straight up DACA for $25 billion proposal. He wanted more from the start - his “four pillars.”

As for the proposal that added in the other security measures - it is true Dems didn’t support it, but Trump couldn’t even get the entire Republican caucus to support that one.

Four Up, Four Down on Senate Immigration Proposals

 

[Pedra]

No, that is one of the definitions of the word.

I'm well aware , but that is just playing a word game and disingenous. Christians are supposed to be honest and clear about the truth. Remember? salt and light, not misleading or deceiving.

 

[redleghunter]

Trump never agreed to the straight up DACA for $25 billion proposal. He wanted more from the start - his “four pillars.”

As for the proposal that added in the other security measures - it is true Dems didn’t support it, but Trump couldn’t even get the entire Republican caucus to support that one.

Four Up, Four Down on Senate Immigration Proposals

The GOP senate always wanted the reforms if DACA was fully supported. Why? Because if the loopholes were not closed they would just have another 1.8 mil DACA illegal immigrants 5 years from now.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

The GOP senate always wanted the reforms if DACA was fully supported. Why? Because if the loopholes were not closed they would just have another 1.8 mil DACA illegal immigrants 5 years from now.

And so did Trump. Which is why he never supported the straight up deal, as you suggested he did.

And, doesn’t change the fact that Trump and McConnell couldn’t get their own caucus to support that deal.

 

[Archivist]

Oh pahleeze you really cannot try to change the meaning of a Coven to get Hillary off the hook. We all know what a coven is & and we know what it is an assembly of - and the Bible speaks very succinctly what GOD's view of witchcraft is.

Perhaps you should check a dictionary. There are several definitions for coven.

 

[Archivist]

I'm well aware , but that is just playing a word game and disingenous. Christians are supposed to be honest and clear about the truth. Remember? salt and light, not misleading or deceiving.

No one is being misleading here except that who say that coven automatically means witches. Have you researched the organization? I saw nothing about witches.

 

[Pedra]

No one is being misleading here except that who say that coven automatically means witches. Have you researched the organization? I saw nothing about witches.

That is deception.

 

[Pedra]

Perhaps you should check a dictionary. There are several definitions for coven.

That is deception at work.

 

[Pedra]

Perhaps you should check a dictionary. There are several definitions for coven.

I have a high level of proficiency in english so don't worry.
It is like saying Bill C was a participant an orgy and cnn stating it was a festive gathering of adults that met for an unknown reason. That is just playing word games & it's a manipulation of the truth and that's what's called dishonesty or deception.

 

[Archivist]

That is deception at work.

No, words have meanings. We find out those meanings from dictionaries. Your opinion doesn’t substitute for a dictionary definition. Again, what research have you done on this organization?

 

[Archivist]

I have a high level of proficiency in english so don't worry.
It is like saying Bill C was a participant an orgy and cnn stating it was a festive gathering of adults that met for an unknown reason. That is just playing word games & it's a manipulation of the truth and that's what's called dishonesty or deception.

Except I can’t find “a festive gathering of adults for an unknown reason” among the definitions of orgy. Please provide the name of the dictionary where you found that definition.

 

[Pedra]

Except I can’t find “a festive gathering of adults for an unknown reason” among the definitions of orgy. Please provide the name of the dictionary where you found that definition.

No I don't have to. This is just the typical case of a dem giving Hillary a pass and making excuses for her. No snake oil , thanks.

 

[Archivist]

No I don't have to. This is just the typical case of a dem giving Hillary a pass and making excuses for her. No snake oil , thanks.

In other words you don’t have a valid answer. Oh, and I am a registered Republican, not a Democrat. I didn’t vote for Hillary. I also didn’t vote for Trump. The Green Party candidate got my vote.