Trump reaches a new low

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Now he entertains speaking for the dead, even strangely calling this a "great day" for George Floyd:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/05/george-floyd-gets-new-spokesman-donald-trump/

Senator Joe Biden rightly denounced Trump's crass remark:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...43fbe6-a747-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html

This is easily one of Trump's most egregious offenses. Of all people, he should not be presuming to speak for a slain black man, and using his memory as a campaign rally.
 

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Now he entertains speaking for the dead, even strangely calling this a "great day" for George Floyd:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/05/george-floyd-gets-new-spokesman-donald-trump/

Senator Joe Biden rightly denounced Trump's crass remark:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...43fbe6-a747-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html

This is easily one of Trump's most egregious offenses. Of all people, he should not be presuming to speak for a slain black man, and using his memory as a campaign rally.

Why not, everyone else is invoking him to advance their own agendas. Trump has a lot at stake here.
 
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Why not, everyone else is invoking him to advance their own agendas. Trump has a lot at stake here.

Who is this "everyone"? And exactly what agenda might that be? The "stop killing unarmed black men" agenda?
 
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Who is this "everyone"? And exactly what agenda might that be? The "stop killing unarmed black men" agenda?

You can't throw a stone without hitting a George Floyd mural extolling his virtue.

Maybe the "Destroy America" agenda?
 
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You mean the george Floyd whose 2nd grade teacher ( who was white by the way) kept an essay he wrote all these years because she was so impressed with it. You mean the george Floyd who’s family obviously loved him. You mean the man who begged politely for his life as he was slowly being asphyxiated.while bystanders repeatedly asked that stupid cop to get off of him before he killed mr Floyd . The worst part about it is that that cop actually worked with Mr Floyd before . He killed someone he knew! Did you actually watch that video ? That was horrible .
 
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You mean the george Floyd whose 2nd grade teacher ( who was white by the way) kept an essay he wrote all these years because she was so impressed with it. You mean the george Floyd who’s family obviously loved him. You mean the man who begged politely for his life as he was slowly being asphyxiated.while bystanders repeatedly asked that stupid cop to get off of him before he killed mr Floyd . The worst part about it is that that cop actually worked with Mr Floyd before . He killed someone he knew! Did you actually watch that video ? That was horrible .

It was horrible, and his killer should pay dearly.
 
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The statistics show that the 500 killings of white people attributed to blacks last year were the most since black perpetrators were determined to be responsible for the homicides of 504 white people nationwide in 2008. Last year's total was up 12 percent from the 446 recorded in 2014 and 22 percent from the 409 seen in 2013, a year that saw the lowest total this century and one that capped seven years of general declines in black-on-white homicides. Prior to that, 2006 saw the most black-on-white killings since 2001, with 573.

The 229 black lives taken by white killers last year, however, marked an even larger leap from 2014, jumping more than 22 percent from the 187 black victims killed by whites that year, which was the second-lowest total since 2001. The tally was last exceeded in 2008, when 230 blacks were slain by whites. The highest total in the last 15 years came in 2007, when 245 black people were killed by whites. If you read the article you’ll get a clearer picture https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers
2016 FBI

533 whites killed by Blacks

243 Blacks killed by whites

Expanded Homicide Data Table 3

Make what you will of it, Different sites vary a little which is interesting since they claim Justice Dept stats. I’ve adopted 3 black children so if inclined blow any any accusations of racism smoke some other direction please.

According to the FBI’s uniform crime-reporting data for 2016, 90.1 percent of black victims of homicide were killed by other blacks, while 83.5 percent of whites were killed by other whites. While no life is inconsequential, the statistical evidence shows that—just as for blacks when it comes to black-on-black crime—whites are mostly victimized by other whites, with the vast majority of white murders committed by whites. This is because most victims of crime personally know their assailants. And while this is a truth across racial boundaries, no one ever talks about “white-on-white crime.” Why We Never Talk About Black-on-Black Crime: An Answer to White America’s Most Pressing Question




Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338).What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

There are stats online from various sites that are not linked to news media outlets which personally I have lost faith in.

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The statistics show that the 500 killings of white people attributed to blacks last year were the most since black perpetrators were determined to be responsible for the homicides of 504 white people nationwide in 2008. Last year's total was up 12 percent from the 446 recorded in 2014 and 22 percent from the 409 seen in 2013, a year that saw the lowest total this century and one that capped seven years of general declines in black-on-white homicides. Prior to that, 2006 saw the most black-on-white killings since 2001, with 573.

The 229 black lives taken by white killers last year, however, marked an even larger leap from 2014, jumping more than 22 percent from the 187 black victims killed by whites that year, which was the second-lowest total since 2001. The tally was last exceeded in 2008, when 230 blacks were slain by whites. The highest total in the last 15 years came in 2007, when 245 black people were killed by whites. If you read the article you’ll get a clearer picture https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers
2016 FBI

533 whites killed by Blacks

243 Blacks killed by whites

Expanded Homicide Data Table 3

Make what you will of it, Different sites vary a little which is interesting since they claim Justice Dept stats. I’ve adopted 3 black children so if inclined blow any any accusations of racism smoke some other direction please.

According to the FBI’s uniform crime-reporting data for 2016, 90.1 percent of black victims of homicide were killed by other blacks, while 83.5 percent of whites were killed by other whites. While no life is inconsequential, the statistical evidence shows that—just as for blacks when it comes to black-on-black crime—whites are mostly victimized by other whites, with the vast majority of white murders committed by whites. This is because most victims of crime personally know their assailants. And while this is a truth across racial boundaries, no one ever talks about “white-on-white crime.” Why We Never Talk About Black-on-Black Crime: An Answer to White America’s Most Pressing Question




Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338).What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

There are stats online from various sites that are not linked to news media outlets which personally I have lost faith in.

In Christ
there’s a difference between a criminal killing someone and a cop deliberately murdering someone in hand cuffs and on the ground OR a cop shooting a man in the back because he ran away. The fact that he was an annoyance to the cop and not a threat means that he didn’t deserve to die OR shooting someone because they reached to get the license and registration the cop asked for . That last guy was lucky he didn’t die. BUT ALL OF THESE WERE CAUGHT ON VIDEO. Makes you wonder about the ones that weren’t
 
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You can't throw a stone without hitting a George Floyd mural extolling his virtue.

Maybe the "Destroy America" agenda?

They aren't extolling his virtues, they are memorializing him. Unless somehow you think memorializing the victim of police brutality is wrong, I don't see why this is so hard to understand.
 
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You mean the george Floyd whose 2nd grade teacher ( who was white by the way) kept an essay he wrote all these years because she was so impressed with it. You mean the george Floyd who’s family obviously loved him. You mean the man who begged politely for his life as he was slowly being asphyxiated.while bystanders repeatedly asked that stupid cop to get off of him before he killed mr Floyd . The worst part about it is that that cop actually worked with Mr Floyd before . He killed someone he knew! Did you actually watch that video ? That was horrible .

I don't understand the problem some Christians have with demonstrations of love. George Floyd was not a great man... but he was still a man. Isn't that good enough to find value in his life?
 
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Well its not news the anything Trump does or says.. the left hate.. make fun of.

Just consider the possibility that it's not due to bias, it's due to Trump's poor character. After all, "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." Judging by that saying, Trump obviously thinks George Floyd's death should amount to nothing more than a footnote on his otherwise "great" presidency. After all, he's apparently so "great" than even dead men that have had the life literally smothered out of them, can endorse him!
 
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Well its not news the anything Trump does or says.. the left hate.. make fun of. .. I am not one of those people that reported talked about.. in JESUS name. Do not agree with.

Did any others say something? :)
. I’m on the left maybe I watched a president mock a handicapped person . Or give out bad and actually stupid medical advice during a pandemic that sent several people to the hospital when they did as he advised. Maybe because I watched for months as biologists epidemiologists and other medical professionals he hired and others who didn’t work for him pleaded with him to act before that killer pandemic hit the America . 110,000 dead Americans later Trump refuses to take responsibility. Maybe it’s the derogatory things he says and his encouraging overt racist behavior against ethnic and religious minorities . Maybe it’s the sexist cruel things he’s said to and about women . Maybe it’s his ignorant science denial in the midst of an environmental catastrophe . So it’s not exactly my leftist leanings that make me abhor Trump , its his selfish stupid arrogant ignorant immature behavior and the fact that he encourages it in others . I see nothing Christian about him his continual lying or his agendas
 
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there’s a difference between a criminal killing someone and a cop deliberately murdering someone in hand cuffs and on the ground OR a cop shooting a man in the back because he ran away. The fact that he was an annoyance to the cop and not a threat means that he didn’t deserve to die OR shooting someone because they reached to get the license and registration the cop asked for . That last guy was lucky he didn’t die. BUT ALL OF THESE WERE CAUGHT ON VIDEO. Makes you wonder about the ones that weren’t
No it really doesn't. There is evil everywhere. I have a sister who says maybe things are happening the way they are supposed to. evil men shall wax worse and worse. I think most here agree that what was done by the cop was an evil. What is happening in the aftermath with brother against brother must put a smile on Satan's face. Let's make our lives a candle, a light on the hill. Talk is worse the cheap. It's become almost hateful. How can we say we love God and hate our brother? Christ will return. Will we be working for him or bickering over the affairs of the world?
 
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The statistics show that the 500 killings of white people attributed to blacks last year were the most since black perpetrators were determined to be responsible for the homicides of 504 white people nationwide in 2008. Last year's total was up 12 percent from the 446 recorded in 2014 and 22 percent from the 409 seen in 2013, a year that saw the lowest total this century and one that capped seven years of general declines in black-on-white homicides. Prior to that, 2006 saw the most black-on-white killings since 2001, with 573.

The 229 black lives taken by white killers last year, however, marked an even larger leap from 2014, jumping more than 22 percent from the 187 black victims killed by whites that year, which was the second-lowest total since 2001. The tally was last exceeded in 2008, when 230 blacks were slain by whites. The highest total in the last 15 years came in 2007, when 245 black people were killed by whites. If you read the article you’ll get a clearer picture https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers
2016 FBI

533 whites killed by Blacks

243 Blacks killed by whites

Expanded Homicide Data Table 3

Make what you will of it, Different sites vary a little which is interesting since they claim Justice Dept stats. I’ve adopted 3 black children so if inclined blow any any accusations of racism smoke some other direction please.

According to the FBI’s uniform crime-reporting data for 2016, 90.1 percent of black victims of homicide were killed by other blacks, while 83.5 percent of whites were killed by other whites. While no life is inconsequential, the statistical evidence shows that—just as for blacks when it comes to black-on-black crime—whites are mostly victimized by other whites, with the vast majority of white murders committed by whites. This is because most victims of crime personally know their assailants. And while this is a truth across racial boundaries, no one ever talks about “white-on-white crime.” Why We Never Talk About Black-on-Black Crime: An Answer to White America’s Most Pressing Question




Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338).What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

There are stats online from various sites that are not linked to news media outlets which personally I have lost faith in.

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Why is this always a black vs white thing? in fairness what about white vs white killings and black vs black killings or how about we just look at the fact that there are too many killings and work on doing something about that, this does not have to be a race thing, it should be a human thing.
 
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Why is this always a black vs white thing? in fairness what about white vs white killings and black vs black killings or how about we just look at the fact that there are too many killings and work on doing something about that, this does not have to be a race thing, it should be a human thing.
Blacks are the victims too often. But note that the responses will benefit all races. Choke holds aren’t being banned just for blacks, and steps to improve accountability help all of us.
 
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Blacks are the victims too often. But note that the responses will benefit all races. Choke holds aren’t being banned just for blacks, and steps to improve accountability help all of us.

How hard it is to require cops to keep their cameras on when responding to alert ?

and if some cops or police districts feel that is too much to ask for maybe it might be a sign that some new leadership, training and probably personnel is needed ?
 
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It's interesting to see the differing approaches. I live in NJ, but often hear Cuomo's daily report on NY. Both have responded to this crisis. NJ responded by describing a set of initiatives that had already started to make police more professional. Improved recruitment and training, and licensing police at all levels. (Many states do this but NJ had not.) Also a review of use of force doctrine. Cuomo was all about discipline and prosecution.

It is definitely a big problem that between police unions, juries who won't convict, and the Supreme Courts "limited immunity" doctrine, it is nearly impossible to do anything about rogue cops. But prosecution needs to be limited to a few rogues. There seems to be a more widespread issue in many areas. That can't be solved by prosecution. It has to be solved by recruitment, training and supervision.
 
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