Trump is another Constantine the Great?

Albion · Oct 28, 2020

Ohorseman said:
At first, I was thinking Trump was like a John the Baptist figure. Indeed he is a fiery preacher from the wilderness. But he is from the political wilderness, a political preacher... not a holy man like John the Baptist. That does not fit. However, based upon Trump's Christian friendly positions, he is very much like Emperor Constantine, don't you think?

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No. It's an interesting question you've raised, and I suppose that there are some similarities that could be cited. You named one right away. He's a politician but hasn't wanted to tell the religion or religious leaders how to run their affairs.

However, that is the very thing that everybody on these forums talks about when it comes to Constantine--that he wanted to direct the Christian faith, that he (allegedly) meddled in the religion's belief system, and so on.

Therefore, and in answer to your question, I think it has to be a "No."

timothyu · Oct 28, 2020

Constantine used Christianity to win a civil war by appealing to Christians of the opposing forces. The division we see today in the US seems to have little Christianity on the opposing side to appeal to. This is not to say the old left was not Christian but that the new opposition has taken over the old party and replaced it with a global entity more interested in their new world than the Kingdom. So not much there for Trump to work with..

timothyu · Oct 28, 2020

Albion said:
that he wanted to direct the Christian faith, that he (allegedly) meddled in the religion's belief system, and so on.

And the religion was quick to accept his offer of a partnership in world power, thus broadsiding the alternate Kingdom they were originally supposed to represent.

JimR-OCDS · Oct 28, 2020

If you're going to compare Trump to Constantine, whom do you compare Biden to ?

I don't see any comparison to the two me, as both have weak characters.

Great leaders generally have principles they follow. Despite their mistakes, they still shaped the world to evolve into what we have today.

Neither Biden nor Trump have such characteristics.

Albion · Oct 28, 2020

timothyu said:
And the religion was quick to accept his offer of a partnership in world power, thus broadsiding the alternate Kingdom they were originally supposed to represent.

If you wish, but the subject is mainly about Trump, not just what we think of Constantine.

Trump has no intention to partner with the Christian churches to achieve world power or anything of the sort.

pescador · Oct 28, 2020

Ohorseman said:
Seriously, pescador. We all know that the term pro-life is making direct reference to the abortion issue. And what you are saying about him not taking the virus seriously is not true. That is not even the topic. Start your own topic elsewhere if you wish to talk about that. Be nice, brother. And if you really want to discuss death tolls. Consider this: Death toll of all USA wars combined = 1.1 million. Death toll by abortion since Roe v Wade = 62 million. Since 1970, Planned Parenthood has killed 8.9 million... YES, they are deadlier than our military.

And the source of these "statistics" is..?

How many lives has Planned Parenthood saved? Undoubtedly, many millions. Don't let the truth get in your way as you exit.

pescador · Oct 28, 2020

Albion said:
If you wish, but the subject is mainly about Trump, not just what we think of Constantine.

Trump has no intention to partner with the Christian churches to achieve world power or anything of the sort.

You're joking, right? Trump is obsessed with power and will use the church to get his way. We already saw that when he used tear gas and flash-bang bombs to clear non-violent protesters so he could have a photo-op at a church he doesn't attend.

Albion · Oct 28, 2020

pescador said:
And the source of these "statistics" is..?

How many lives has Planned Parenthood saved? Undoubtedly, many millions. Don't let the truth get in your way as you exit.

How can an abortion be represented as saving a life, let alone the millions who are on Planned Parenthood's record of accomplishments?

pescador · Oct 28, 2020

Albion said:
How can an abortion be represented as saving a life, let alone the millions who are on Planned Parenthood's record of accomplishments?

We're going off topic here, but many abortions are performed to save the life of the mother. So you agree (at last!) that Planned Parenthood has saved millions of lives! Great!

Albion · Oct 28, 2020

pescador said:
You're joking, right?

Nope. Maybe you never looked at it this way, but you should.

And as for the "many abortions are performed to save the life of the mother," that's bunk. Some are, but the great majority are purely elective, performed because the mother-to-be doesn't want to be pregnant and/or a mother.

pescador · Oct 28, 2020

Albion said:
Nope. Maybe you never looked at it this way, but you should.

And as for the "many abortions are performed to save the life of the mother," that's bunk. Some are, but the great majority are purely elective, performed because the mother-to-be doesn't want to be pregnant and/or a mother.

Sorry but that's not the case.

hislegacy · Oct 28, 2020

Fantine said:
Trump's behavior is that of an atheist.

That is demonstrably mistaken.

Redwingfan9 · Oct 28, 2020

pescador said:
And the source of these "statistics" is..?

How many lives has Planned Parenthood saved? Undoubtedly, many millions. Don't let the truth get in your way as you exit.

Remind me again how Planned Parenthood saves millions of lives when at a minimum they extinguish over 300,000 babies annually.

pescador · Oct 28, 2020

Redwingfan9 said:
Remind me again how Planned Parenthood saves millions of lives when at a minimum they extinguish over 300,000 babies annually.

Okay. Planned Parenthood offers all women, regardless of ethnicity, wealth, etc. medical care that pertains to being female. This includes annual exams, STD detection and treatment, birth control, and many other kinds of ob-gyn care. If you were a woman you would appreciate the vital services they render, but instead you go out of your way to smear them.

"Planned Parenthood delivers vital reproductive health care, sex education, and information to millions of people worldwide. Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc. is a registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit under EIN 13-1644147. Donations are tax-deductible to the fullest extent allowable under the law."

"Extinguishing" (at a minimum -- very scientific!) over 300,000 babies is not only fiction, but worded in such a nonscientific way as to arouse hateful emotions in people (such as yourself).

Fantine · Oct 28, 2020

To be fair, they have probably done millions of pap smears and breast exams for women with no insurance. They have provided birth control for women with medical problems where pregnancy might be a real danger.

I often wonder about the sonogram pregnancy health centers do. If the sonogram showed an ectopic pregnancy, would they tell the woman or just say a JMJ that she would get to a hospital on time when she started to bleed out. Would they tell them if there were conjoined twins? Anencephaly? Would their agenda interfere with good medical care?
I have never been in a situation where I might have chosen abortion. I would not have wanted to be railroaded in either direction.
I belueve women in that situation need qualified therapists--not intervention in either direction.

Redwingfan9 · Oct 28, 2020

pescador said:
Okay. Planned Parenthood offers all women, regardless of ethnicity, wealth, etc. medical care that pertains to being female. This includes annual exams, STD detection and treatment, birth control, and many other kinds of ob-gyn care. If you were a woman you would appreciate the vital services they render, but instead you go out of your way to smear them.

"Planned Parenthood delivers vital reproductive health care, sex education, and information to millions of people worldwide. Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc. is a registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit under EIN 13-1644147. Donations are tax-deductible to the fullest extent allowable under the law."

"Extinguishing" (at a minimum -- very scientific!) over 300,000 babies is not only fiction, but worded in such a nonscientific way as to arouse hateful emotions in people (such as yourself).

They murder at a minimum 300k babies a year. That's a fact.

timothyu · Oct 28, 2020

JimR-OCDS said:
If you're going to compare Trump to Constantine, whom do you compare Biden to ?

The Tempter in the desert?

timothyu · Oct 28, 2020

Albion said:
Trump has no intention to partner with the Christian churches to achieve world power or anything of the sort.

Unlike a branch of Christianity within the US that seeks to align with him or any elected leader for their own glory. Both leaders seek votes from groups they have no affiliation with. That is why Biden takes advantage of the black vote which the Dems have done nothing for since the Kennedys.

timothyu · Oct 28, 2020

pescador said:
How many lives has Planned Parenthood saved? Undoubtedly, many millions.

I don't quite follow. Removing an unwanted pregnancy saves who from what.. freedom from responsibility or the 'good life'?

timothyu · Oct 28, 2020

Redwingfan9 said:
Remind me again how Planned Parenthood saves millions of lives when at a minimum they extinguish over 300,000 babies annually.

Perhaps salvation in this case is the freedom to breed without consequence.

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