Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them

[rjs330]

It costs actual money to maintain data, it's easier to delete the data after it isn't needed anymore. Mass storage may be relatively cheap, but it's not free.

That's why I said they keep them for a while and then eventually clear them out. In the case at hand the employees were gone for a very short period of time. You cant tell me the records were immediately destroyed.

 

[rjs330]

Look at it like this. Someone leaves your business and after a year you destroy their info. 5 years later that person sues your company claiming some sort of legal injury you caused him. You go to look up his info and see why he left (exit interview) or any complaints he may have made against your company, legitimate or not, but you find they have been destroyed. Or maybe your company finds that harmful chemicals were used that he may have been exposed to.....the list could be long. Many (maybe all?) companies are forbidden from even deleting e-mails.

I had a business for about 8 years. I never destroyed the records I had. Payroll records, personnel records etc. I kept them for several reasons. Your reasons were definately a part of that.

This whole thread is quite ridiculous. People arguing over companies keeping records when clearly they do and have legit reasons for doing so. But people still want to argue about it.

 

[wing2000]

The op's link is rather clear:

In an email sent to employees at NNSA and obtained by NBC News, officials wrote, “The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel.”


The individuals the letter refers to had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts. NNSA, which is within the Department of Energy and oversees the nation’s nuclear stockpile, cannot reach these employees directly and is now asking recipients of the email, “Please work with your supervisors to send this information (once you get it) to people’s personal contact emails.”

...not having their personal emails is understandable.

Firing workers deemed important for nuclear safety? Not so much.

But that's what happens when you allow DOGE techies make decisions instead of the organization's managers.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Firing workers deemed important for nuclear safety? Not so much.

How do you know they actually work in a nuclear safety aspect? Do you have a job description for them? Just because someone works for the Federal Reserve doesn't mean THEY have anything to do with controlling the nations money supply.
Don't assume anything until you have evidence for it.

 

[rjs330]

In an email sent to employees at NNSA and obtained by NBC News, officials wrote, “The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel.”

This a lot of what this thread is about. They are either ridiculously incompetent or not being honest about something.

 

[wing2000]

How do you know they actually work in a nuclear safety aspect? Do you have a job description for them? Just because someone works for the Federal Reserve doesn't mean THEY have anything to do with controlling the nations money supply.
Don't assume anything until you have evidence for it.

I don't know first hand of course. But, presumably, there's a good reason the dismissed workers were recalled.....

 

[rjs330]

I don't know first hand of course. But, presumably, there's a good reason the dismissed workers were recalled.....

Well i think the reason is important. If tgey were SO important then why can't we find them? Total incompetence.

Something is fishy about this.

 

[Belk]

This a lot of what this thread is about. They are either ridiculously incompetent or not being honest about something.

Only because it was a distraction of the ongoing incompetence of DOGE. Interesting how the topic changed.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I don't know first hand of course. But, presumably, there's a good reason the dismissed workers were recalled.....

I would agree; it would be very helpful to the public to know what type of jobs are being cut. It might help reduce all the rhetoric and second guessing of what is going on. But, as Musk said, they knew they would make mistakes; it appears the are acknowledging that through trying to recall some of them......but more info would be helpful. IMHO.

 

[rjs330]

Only because it was a distraction of the ongoing incompetence of DOGE. Interesting how the topic changed.

I'm thinking rhere might be some incompetence all around. I dont even know if they were trying to get ALL the employees back or just some of them. I agree it's foolish to let people go and then hire them.back. Do your due diligence and let people go that need to be let go.

Incompetence seems to be going around.

 

[Belk]

I'm thinking rhere might be some incompetence all around. I dont even know if they were trying to get ALL the employees back or just some of them. I agree it's foolish to let people go and then hire them.back. Do your due diligence and let people go that need to be let go.

Incompetence seems to be going around.

Let's face it, the Government has never been efficient. I can also say as a government worker that while most of us are trying our best to help out the American people and want to do a good job there is a reason the stereotype of the cynical slacker government employee exists.

 

[civilwarbuff]

there is a reason the stereotype of the cynical slacker government employee exists.

Anyone who has been to your local DMV has probably experienced it firsthand.
When I first got my vehicle titled and registered in NY (20 yrs ago) it was the slowest most painful experience I have ever witnessed from government employees. Getting a tooth extracted without Novocaine would have been more pleasant....(I exaggerate, of course).

 

[keith99]

The people at the highest levels are the least likely to know the names and personal info of employees. That sort of thing is usually delegated to HR and the employees' immediate supervisors. It sounds as though these people were dismissed without an exit interview

No, but people move and go on vacation when fired sometimes. Most "paychecks" these days are direct deposit or debit cards for seasonals.

Have a blissful day.

Every place I have ever worked could easily have found any fired employee the day after they were fired. They could have found an employee even if the room with all the employee records burned down that night.

Where they would have had problems would have been if they fired entire floors or departments.

Though in this situation trying to track someone down might present other unique problems. Individual employees that happen to have contact info might be disinclined to share it with their supervisor. Trust has been destroyed. And it might be fun to watch the bosses sweat!

 

[Belk]

Anyone who has been to your local DMV has probably experienced it firsthand.
When I first got my vehicle titled and registered in NY (20 yrs ago) it was the slowest most painful experience I have ever witnessed from government employees. Getting a tooth extracted without Novocaine would have been more pleasant....(I exaggerate, of course).

Yes, they are notorious. Some of my local city processes are not much better.

 

[Belk]

Every place I have ever worked could easily have found any fired employee the day after they were fired. They could have found an employee even if the room with all the employee records burned down that night.

Where they would have had problems would have been if they fired entire floors or departments.

Though in this situation trying to track someone down might present other unique problems. Individual employees that happen to have contact info might be disinclined to share it with their supervisor. Trust has been destroyed. And it might be fun to watch the bosses sweat!

Does the department even have the records of whom was fired?

 

[Jo555]

Just my opinion. I don't know enough about what jobs are truly needed or not to make a good case there. For me the bigger issues is how they are going about it.

They should have been given, imo, 6 months to a year to give them time to adjust their lives to the change.

I feel the same with other areas on an international level, but some of these things he campaigned on so they should have planned accordingly.

So I can't say how "for or against" I am on what he's doing. A couple courses on micro and macro economics back in the day (that I barely remember) I don't feel is sufficient to say, but for me the issue is more about how he is going about it. It's too swift to give people adequate time to make a smooth transition.

 

[keith99]

Does the department even have the records of whom was fired?

I would think they would have that much.

But with this chain saw approach to trimming the fat I wonder if they have any record of who was working on what.

For example, they notice that there is an unfinished but vital project. They want that guy back. Then it hits. That whole section is gone, including the manager.

Oops!

 

[Pommer]

Anyone who has been to your local DMV has probably experienced it firsthand.
When I first got my vehicle titled and registered in NY (20 yrs ago) it was the slowest most painful experience I have ever witnessed from government employees. Getting a tooth extracted without Novocaine would have been more pleasant....(I exaggerate, of course).

I’m sure that DMV workers are as pleasant and have as least as good a work experience as most of their clients have with their petty-functionary helping them renew their driver’s licenses.

It’s hard to imagine a more jaded view than complaining about have to wait around the DMV as if it’s some sort of Liberty denied.

It’s a TROPE for gosh sakes!

 

[wing2000]

Well i think the reason is important. If tgey were SO important then why can't we find them? Total incompetence.

Something is fishy about this.

There's nothing fishy. Employees are not required to provide their personal contact information to employers. If you read the referenced news article, the government was asking line managers to reach out to the fired employees if they happened to have the employees personal contact number.

 

[wing2000]

Let's face it, the Government has never been efficient. I can also say as a government worker that while most of us are trying our best to help out the American people and want to do a good job there is a reason the stereotype of the cynical slacker government employee exists.

Slacker employees exist in any large private corporation as well. Elon just happens to have a novel way of thinning out the drift wood. Fire everyone then hire back the essential people.....