• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Trump accepts 400 million dollar bribe.

Goonie

Not so Mystic Mog.
Site Supporter
Jun 13, 2015
10,427
10,014
48
UK
✟1,312,108.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Gifts are frequently given to this government by other governments and sometimes Presidents and or wives steal time on their way out.
Yes but $400 million planes, to be donated to the Trump library when he leaves office?? It stinks.
 
Upvote 0

Aryeh Jay

Living the dream, experiencing the nightmare.
Site Supporter
Jul 19, 2012
17,595
16,196
MI - Michigan
✟661,557.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Married
Yes but $400 million planes, to be donated to the Trump library when he leaves office?? It stinks.

No different than a set of fine china or a painting according to the officials.
 
Upvote 0

ThatRobGuy

Part of the IT crowd
Site Supporter
Sep 4, 2005
27,532
16,692
Here
✟1,429,616.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
While the cash value of the gift is understandably drawing attention...there have been some other similar donations that also had "nothing to sneeze at" amounts, that also ended up in presidential libraries afterward.

Some examples:
During the Truman, Eisenhower, and Nixon administrations, Middle Eastern leaders like the Shah of Iran and Saudi royalty gifted jewel-encrusted swords, daggers, and valuable artworks, some worth millions of dollars. Many ended up in presidential libraries or museums.

A rare valuable historical coin collection from Ethiopia’s Emperor Haile Selassie to President Kennedy, which became part of the Kennedy Center.

The Saudi's gave several pieces of jewelry to Pat Nixon to wear to special events, etc... and became part of museums later.

A rare collection of Medieval armor was presented to President Lyndon B. Johnson by the King of Spain in the 1960s — currently housed in the LBJ Presidential Library.

(in fact, LBJ had quite the colllection of gifts that ended up in his presidential library)
The Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library houses over 2,000 head-of-state gifts presented to President and Mrs. Johnson during his presidency. These items include ceremonial swords from Morocco and Saudi Arabia, Chinse tomb sculptures from the Tang Dynasty, an alabaster funerary vase from Egypt, and other finely crafted objects from around the world.


While the exact total value of these gifts isn't publicly disclosed, their historical and cultural significance is considerable. The collection also features a diverse array of artifacts, such as Middle Eastern antiquities, coins, postage stamps, Oval Office furniture, and artwork by renowned artists like Frederic Remington, Charles Russell, Winslow Homer, and Diego Rivera
 
Upvote 0

Postvieww

Believer
Sep 29, 2014
6,872
2,547
South
✟172,377.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Yes but $400 million planes, to be donated to the Trump library when he leaves office?? It stinks.
To some people any sentence with the word Trump in it stinks. But the facts are clear, Trump has done more constructive work since inauguration than any previous president ever. That is what is angering many liberals. Joe slept for four years and Trump is actually doing what he was elected to do.
 
Upvote 0

Postvieww

Believer
Sep 29, 2014
6,872
2,547
South
✟172,377.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
While the cash value of the gift is understandably drawing attention...there have been some other similar donations that also had "nothing to sneeze at" amounts, that also ended up in presidential libraries afterward.

Some examples:
During the Truman, Eisenhower, and Nixon administrations, Middle Eastern leaders like the Shah of Iran and Saudi royalty gifted jewel-encrusted swords, daggers, and valuable artworks, some worth millions of dollars. Many ended up in presidential libraries or museums.

A rare valuable historical coin collection from Ethiopia’s Emperor Haile Selassie to President Kennedy, which became part of the Kennedy Center.

The Saudi's gave several pieces of jewelry to Pat Nixon to wear to special events, etc... and became part of museums later.

A rare collection of Medieval armor was presented to President Lyndon B. Johnson by the King of Spain in the 1960s — currently housed in the LBJ Presidential Library.

(in fact, LBJ had quite the colllection of gifts that ended up in his presidential library)
The Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library houses over 2,000 head-of-state gifts presented to President and Mrs. Johnson during his presidency. These items include ceremonial swords from Morocco and Saudi Arabia, Chinse tomb sculptures from the Tang Dynasty, an alabaster funerary vase from Egypt, and other finely crafted objects from around the world.


While the exact total value of these gifts isn't publicly disclosed, their historical and cultural significance is considerable. The collection also features a diverse array of artifacts, such as Middle Eastern antiquities, coins, postage stamps, Oval Office furniture, and artwork by renowned artists like Frederic Remington, Charles Russell, Winslow Homer, and Diego Rivera
These facts do not matter to many liberals who want nothing more than talking points to bash Trump.
 
Upvote 0

Hans Blaster

One nation indivisible
Mar 11, 2017
20,892
15,787
55
USA
✟398,244.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
While the cash value of the gift is understandably drawing attention...there have been some other similar donations that also had "nothing to sneeze at" amounts, that also ended up in presidential libraries afterward.
We could just limit our understanding of the scope of the gift to the cash value of its future usage rather than the fancy chunk of aluminum. The cash value for a *single* cross-country trip for a single person (Trump) valued as a simple commercial 1st class (we can at least agree that it isn't knee-crusher class, right) would exceed the limit for permissible gifts to public officials. Just one "1st class" flight, not even charged like a rental Gulfstream, exceeds the limit for *gifts*. (No need for the quid pro quo of a bribe to make it illegal.)

Some examples:
During the Truman, Eisenhower, and Nixon administrations, Middle Eastern leaders like the Shah of Iran and Saudi royalty gifted jewel-encrusted swords, daggers, and valuable artworks, some worth millions of dollars. Many ended up in presidential libraries or museums.

A rare valuable historical coin collection from Ethiopia’s Emperor Haile Selassie to President Kennedy, which became part of the Kennedy Center.

The Saudi's gave several pieces of jewelry to Pat Nixon to wear to special events, etc... and became part of museums later.

A rare collection of Medieval armor was presented to President Lyndon B. Johnson by the King of Spain in the 1960s — currently housed in the LBJ Presidential Library.

(in fact, LBJ had quite the colllection of gifts that ended up in his presidential library)
The Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library houses over 2,000 head-of-state gifts presented to President and Mrs. Johnson during his presidency. These items include ceremonial swords from Morocco and Saudi Arabia, Chinse tomb sculptures from the Tang Dynasty, an alabaster funerary vase from Egypt, and other finely crafted objects from around the world.


While the exact total value of these gifts isn't publicly disclosed, their historical and cultural significance is considerable. The collection also features a diverse array of artifacts, such as Middle Eastern antiquities, coins, postage stamps, Oval Office furniture, and artwork by renowned artists like Frederic Remington, Charles Russell, Winslow Homer, and Diego Rivera
And these just sat as shiny baubles to stare at when visitors come to those museums.
 
Upvote 0

wing2000

E pluribus unum
Site Supporter
Aug 18, 2012
24,397
20,565
✟1,701,882.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
The Department of Defense would never agree to fly an aircraft previously owned by a foreign entity as Air Force One. But this is a DoD under the control of a secretary who think's using his personal phone to share war planes is not a big deal. So who knows what could happen.....

Trump could simply ignore the Congress and order the DoD to fly it. Who will stop him?
 
Upvote 0

Pommer

CoPacEtiC SkEpTic
Sep 13, 2008
22,054
13,602
Earth
✟232,203.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Democrat
Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the Constitution:
“And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”
The Constitution?
That old thing?
 
Upvote 0

Postvieww

Believer
Sep 29, 2014
6,872
2,547
South
✟172,377.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
So yes, I agree it was a bribe. And accepting gifts from foreign countries is also forbidden by the Constitution.
No bribe! Not a personal gift to Trump. Perfectly legal. Has been done multiple times in the past. Another example of liberals trying to get Trump on some “trumped” up charge.
 
Upvote 0

Goonie

Not so Mystic Mog.
Site Supporter
Jun 13, 2015
10,427
10,014
48
UK
✟1,312,108.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
No bribe! Not a personal gift to Trump. Perfectly legal. Has been done multiple times in the past. Another example of liberals trying to get Trump on some “trumped” up charge.
Really pleased tell me how many air force ones have been gifted to a presidents library?? Name me one, otherwise your breaking a commandment.
 
  • Optimistic
Reactions: wing2000
Upvote 0

DaisyDay

I Did Nothing Wrong!! ~~Team Deep State
Jan 7, 2003
41,302
19,517
Finger Lakes
✟295,670.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Unitarian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
While the cash value of the gift is understandably drawing attention...there have been some other similar donations that also had "nothing to sneeze at" amounts, that also ended up in presidential libraries afterward.

Some examples:
During the Truman, Eisenhower, and Nixon administrations, Middle Eastern leaders like the Shah of Iran and Saudi royalty gifted jewel-encrusted swords, daggers, and valuable artworks, some worth millions of dollars. Many ended up in presidential libraries or museums.

A rare valuable historical coin collection from Ethiopia’s Emperor Haile Selassie to President Kennedy, which became part of the Kennedy Center.

The Saudi's gave several pieces of jewelry to Pat Nixon to wear to special events, etc... and became part of museums later.

A rare collection of Medieval armor was presented to President Lyndon B. Johnson by the King of Spain in the 1960s — currently housed in the LBJ Presidential Library.

(in fact, LBJ had quite the colllection of gifts that ended up in his presidential library)
The Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library houses over 2,000 head-of-state gifts presented to President and Mrs. Johnson during his presidency. These items include ceremonial swords from Morocco and Saudi Arabia, Chinse tomb sculptures from the Tang Dynasty, an alabaster funerary vase from Egypt, and other finely crafted objects from around the world.


While the exact total value of these gifts isn't publicly disclosed, their historical and cultural significance is considerable. The collection also features a diverse array of artifacts, such as Middle Eastern antiquities, coins, postage stamps, Oval Office furniture, and artwork by renowned artists like Frederic Remington, Charles Russell, Winslow Homer, and Diego Rivera
Do the various libraries lend out their artifacts for their eponymous president's personal use?

Did NARA manage a Trump library after his first term? Would it be in charge of a Trump library if there is one? My fear is that it would be run along the lines of the defunct, corrupt Trump Foundation, more of a pseudo-charity than a real one.

ETA: Research | Donald J. Trump Presidential Library
 
Upvote 0

Aryeh Jay

Living the dream, experiencing the nightmare.
Site Supporter
Jul 19, 2012
17,595
16,196
MI - Michigan
✟661,557.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Married
Trump has done more constructive work since inauguration than any previous president ever.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking Kool-aid.
 
Upvote 0

Postvieww

Believer
Sep 29, 2014
6,872
2,547
South
✟172,377.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Really pleased tell me how many air force ones have been gifted to a presidents library?? Name me one, otherwise your breaking a commandment.
You are focused on the value. There have been other gifts worth large sums. This just happens to be a larger one. You seem so focused on getting Trump you can’t see the forest for the trees. It is irrelevant that no one has previously given an airplane. Presidents do not own air force one, Trump does not own this one. Find a real issue this one is a non starter. Other gifts have wound up in presidential libraries show us where you were concerned about that or a legal cap on value for gifts from another country.
 
Upvote 0

7thKeeper

Venture life, Burn your Dread
Jul 8, 2006
2,245
2,121
Finland
✟168,056.00
Country
Finland
Gender
Male
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
In Relationship
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking Kool-aid.
1000012506.gif
 
Upvote 0

durangodawood

re Member
Aug 28, 2007
26,955
18,744
Colorado
✟517,179.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Single
Upvote 0

essentialsaltes

Fact-Based Lifeform
Oct 17, 2011
41,022
44,069
Los Angeles Area
✟985,158.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Legal Union (Other)
2024: Biden is negotiating with the Qataris who fund Hamas terrorism!
2025: What a lovely plane our friends the Qataris have provided for Trump's use!
I guess a few in the GOP still remember the old talking points.

GOP heavyweights join bipartisan bashing of Trump Qatar jet deal

Senate Majority Leader John Thune and GOP firebrand senators are among those voicing discomfort with the deal.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) noted Qatar’s financial support for militant group Hamas, a foe of Israel, and voiced concern about the security risks the plane could present.

Podcaster Ben Shapiro also criticized the deal on his show Monday, saying “taking sacks and goodies from people who support Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Jazeera, all the rest, that isn’t ‘America First.’”
 
Upvote 0

comana

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Jan 19, 2005
7,831
4,386
Colorado
✟1,087,383.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
No bribe! Not a personal gift to Trump. Perfectly legal. Has been done multiple times in the past. Another example of liberals trying to get Trump on some “trumped” up charge.
What is the point of the gift if not to get something in return from Trump?
 
  • Optimistic
Reactions: DaisyDay
Upvote 0

truthuprootsevil

Active Member
Mar 11, 2025
28
7
61
Houston
✟9,211.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Divorced

So the new air force one will belong to not to the office of president but to Donald Trump. A bribe pure and simple.
Indeed, and to justify it he says it's for the government, but intends to place it in the Trump library at the end of his presidency (hopefully that will occur without hitches.)
 
Upvote 0