Trump: “I want to try and get to heaven, if possible,”

[rambot]

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What's the context though? That he doesn't blame God, and takes responsibility for his own mistakes?

Lol!! That response doesn't even make sense!

What does "blaming God" have to do with him not needing forgiveness?

FYI...that response is thr absolutely perfect response from a clinical NPD patient. Or just a lying poser who some christians are not using proper discernment with.


Seems every post is such a desperate attempt to denegrate the lefts completely valid criticisms of trump, that they're becoming more nonsequitor.

 

[rambot]

I think his comments were tongue-in-cheek in regard to the constant condemnation he gets from the left.

Really?
Because that seems like a self serving opinion not based on any actual cues.

What were the verbal or nonverbal cues that Trump made to give e you that impression?

 

[Desk trauma]

Trump is basically a Cyrus. Cyrus did many bad things, but he was big on helping various religions get back to being able to worship as they wished. We know mostly about his helping Jews, but he didn’t favor one much over the other. Both have been placed in their positions at a particular time to accomplish their goals. Cyrus never actually confessed to any religion, and I’m not surprised that Trump thanks God but refuses to state his faith. For the time being, it might be good for America and the world. We will see.

Yes, the poor US Christians are free to worship for the first time after decades of persecution.

 

[ozso]

There's lots of Christians who believe you shouldn't keep asking for forgiveness, because they believe once a person becomes a Christian all of their sins past, present and future are forgiven. Therefore if you keep asking for forgiveness you are showing a lack of faith in the atonement.

I don't know who this guy is and I'm not endorsing what he's saying. But what he's saying describes the position I'm referring to quite well.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

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What's the context though? That he doesn't blame God, and takes responsibility for his own mistakes?

Really? His exact words " I don't bring God into that picture".

What is " that picture "?
SIN

Context?
Donald Trump does not need God , Jesus Christ of Nazareth, to deliver him from sin. He will do it himself.

Please let us reason.

Be blessed.

 

[ozso]

Really?
Because that seems like a self serving opinion not based on any actual cues.

What were the verbal or nonverbal cues that Trump made to give e you that impression?

His tone of voice.

 

[ozso]

Really? His exact words " I don't bring God into that picture".

What is " that picture "?
SIN

Context?
Donald Trump does not need God , Jesus Christ of Nazareth, to deliver him from sin. He will do it himself.

Please let us reason.

Be blessed.

I don't think that's what he meant.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

What this is really about is the left trying to dissuade Christians from supporting Trump. It's pure propaganda.

Do you consider it to be propaganda to claim that one must seek God's forgiveness in order to attain salvation?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

All of this defensive squirming in this thread would just disappear if people could just maintain a separation of church and state. That said, I don’t see Trump as thinking or behaving any less Christian than the average Christian I come across on here. He’s just more blatantly shameless with his hypocrisy.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

There's lots of Christians who believe you shouldn't keep asking for forgiveness, because they believe once a person becomes a Christian all of their sins past, present and future are forgiven. Therefore if you keep asking for forgiveness you are showing a lack of faith in the atonement.

I don't know who this guy is and I'm not endorsing what he's saying. But what he's saying describes the position I'm referring to quite well.

Anyone who says we don't need to repeatedly ask God for forgiveness hasn't read the Bible.

This is what Jesus taught his disciples.

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.


Some individuals may feel compelled to defend President Trump; however, it is important to uphold principles of integrity. In certain cases, some Christians support him to the extent of compromising core Christian teachings, such as forgiveness. For example, some have suggested that "we may not need God's forgiveness repeatedly." This raises concerns about whether such advocacy leads to a distortion of Gospel teachings in order to defend someone who refuses to seek God's forgiveness.

 

[rambot]

There's lots of Christians who believe you shouldn't keep asking for forgiveness, because they believe once a person becomes a Christian all of their sins past, present and future are forgiven. Therefore if you keep asking for forgiveness you are showing a lack of faith in the atonement.

I don't know who this guy is and I'm not endorsing what he's saying. But what he's saying describes the position I'm referring to quite well.

Yeah.

I'm sure Trump has put that much thought into it.

 

[ozso]

Do you consider it to be propaganda to claim that one must seek God's forgiveness in order to attain salvation?

No, I consider the left trying to dissuade Christians from supporting Trump as being propaganda. Now if we're going to go after this president to condemn him based on whether or not he's ever in his life asked God for forgiveness, then we need to examine whether or not every other president has ever asked God for forgiveness. Although I'm not sure what the point of such a venture would be, since the United States isn't a Christian theocracy.

Nor do I see much point in trying to get Christian Trump supporters to change their mind about Trump, because that's not going to make any difference at this point. Unless the left really is afraid he'll somehow swing a third term. Or maybe they're hoping if they can get Christians to change their mind about supporting Trump, that will somehow convert them into becoming Democrats.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

No, I consider the left trying to dissuade Christians from supporting Trump propaganda. Now if we're going to go after this president to condemn him based on whether or not he's ever in his life asked God for forgiveness, then we need to examine whether or not every other president has ever asked God for forgiveness. Although I'm not sure what the point of such a venture would be, since the United States isn't a Christian theocracy.

Nor do I see much point in trying to get Christian Trump supporters to change their mind about Trump, because that's not going to make any difference at this point. Unless they really are afraid he'll somehow swing a third term. Or maybe they're hoping if they can get Christians to change their mind about supporting Trump, that will somehow convert them into becoming Democrats.

I like how you think of Christians and Democrats as mutually exclusive.

 

[ozso]

Yeah.

I'm sure Trump has put that much thought into it.

Quite the contrary, it sounded like he hadn't put enough thought into it. However what I'm pointing out is there are a lot of Christians who think Christians shouldn't ask God for forgiveness after having become a Christian.

 

[rambot]

His tone of v1oice.

1. He avoids answering the question on the first go around.
Never heard a CHRISTIAN do that for such a BASIC, core tenet of belief.0lĺ

2. His tone of voice presents as 100% Ernest.
What about his tone of voice suggests he is being ANYTHING but Ernest?

 

[ozso]

Anyone who says we don't need to repeatedly ask God for forgiveness hasn't read the Bible.

This is what Jesus taught his disciples.

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.


Some individuals may feel compelled to defend President Trump; however, it is important to uphold principles of integrity. In certain cases, some Christians support him to the extent of compromising core Christian teachings, such as forgiveness. For example, some have suggested that "we may not need God's forgiveness repeatedly." This raises concerns about whether such advocacy leads to a distortion of Gospel teachings in order to defend someone who refuses to seek God's forgiveness.

Like I said. I'm not endorsing that view. I just know there are a lot of Christians who believe that point of view. Most likely several career bible teachers, scholars, and theologians hold that point of view.

 

[rambot]

Quite the contrary, it sounded like he hadn't put enough thought into it. However what I'm pointing out is there are a lot of Christians who think Christians shouldn't ask God for forgiveness after having become a Christian.

[My emphasis].
No there are not. There are some who belong to certain sects.

I'm not up on Presbyterian doctrine. Perhaps you could help me with the part that says what Trump believes. Or a little quote feom his favorite pastor Norman Vincent peel. You know the pastor FAMOUS for emphasizing the importance of forgiveness in our lives. Makes sense that someone as vindictive and superficial as Trump would pull his name name out of the hat blissfully unaware of rhe irony of it all.

 

[durangodawood]

There's lots of Christians who believe you shouldn't keep asking for forgiveness, because they believe once a person becomes a Christian all of their sins past, present and future are forgiven. Therefore if you keep asking for forgiveness you are showing a lack of faith in the atonement.....

There are Christians who believe you can and will continue to sin, yet your conscience is freed from the need to ask for forgiveness?

This sounds extremely dangerous to both self and others - making Christian faith a malevolent force in the world. I hope this is a minority position.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

There's lots of Christians who believe you shouldn't keep asking for forgiveness, because they believe once a person becomes a Christian all of their sins past, present and future are forgiven. Therefore if you keep asking for forgiveness you are showing a lack of faith in the atonement.

I don't know who this guy is and I'm not endorsing what he's saying. But what he's saying describes the position I'm referring to quite well.

Oh yes, the OSAS, doctrine. Okay, if you do not endorse, then why do you believe in what he is saying? In case you are not familiar with this OSAS, here is some information to review.

"Once saved, always saved" is a belief that, once a person is genuinely converted and accepts Jesus Christ as their savior, they are eternally secure in their salvation and cannot lose it, regardless of any future actions or sins.
This view can be concerning for several reasons. It may lead to a false sense of security, where individuals may feel they can live a life of sin without consequences, as their salvation is already guaranteed no matter what. The entire process of sanctification is eliminated by circumventing " repentance ".

 

[ozso]

I like how you think of Christians and Democrats as mutually exclusive.

I like how you make stuff up.

I'm talking about some liberal democrat anti-trump Christians vs some conservative republican pro-trump Christians.

Although, I've noticed that some atheists side with liberal democrat anti-trump Christians, and the two often sound so much alike I can't tell them apart without looking at their profile.