Trump’s border czar says any illegal immigrant can be deported: ‘We’ll eventually get to you’

[Oompa Loompa]

I agree with your points. It is evident that not every government or judiciary system is just, and not all rulers obey to the law equitably. When Paul wrote Romans 13, he was aware of this. I do not believe Paul ever suggested that Christians should follow any rules or laws blindly. Christians should strive to live in harmony, obey the law, and maintain peace as much as possible. I believe this was Paul's intention in Romans 13.

Absolutely. In context, Paul was addressing the specific concerns of the Christians in Rome. These Christians were located in the heart of Roman oppression and faced many challenges. Paul is encouraging his followers to respect Roman authority so they can worship in peace. But as we know from other examples, faithfulness to the Lord takes higher priority than faithfulness to man.

 

[Say it aint so]

Convicted for falsifying documents over 7 years ago to cover up an imaginary crime? Sure, I will vote for the guy that isn't using his son as the money man to funnel foreign bribe money. Look at it this way, Trump is your Nebuchadnezzar. So you can get over it and follow Daniel's example, or you can be the next Harriet Tubman and start a new underground railroad to smuggle illegal immigrants. But if you decide the latter, do not consider it unjust or unfair if you are arrested. But the "but Trump" argument is a distraction from the topic. I can make the same argument. How can a Christian claim to honor Romans 13:1-5 and support a president who refuses to enforce the immigration laws that are already on the books?

1) There was no imaginary crime to cover up. Paying off people you cheat on your wife with and having them silenced through NDAs is not illegal. What is illegal is falsifying business records in doing so. He literally could have just written a check to Stormy and everything would have been fine, but he wanted to keep if from Melania the voters so the books were cooked.

2) No money was funneled from Hunter Biden to Joe Biden from any foreign entities. The DOJ and the GOP literally spent 7 years and found nothing that you wrongly claim occurred.

 

[Say it aint so]

"Remain in Mexico" and "Catch and release" are two examples of Biden policy changes. So your statement is false.

The Remain in Mexico is not about illegals. It was about the legal asylum process. Catch and Release started some 20 years ago under Bush. Again, it would behoove you to, maybe, just maybe use that internet you're on to make sure what you claim true.

 

[Vambram]

The Remain in Mexico is not about illegals. It was about the legal asylum process. Catch and Release started some 20 years ago under Bush. Again, it would behoove you to, maybe, just maybe use that internet you're on to make sure what you claim true.

Those two policies were changes that Biden made to what the Trump administration was doing and enforcing.

 

[wing2000]

"Remain in Mexico" and "Catch and release" are two examples of Biden policy changes. So your statement is false.

Catch and Release has been the practice with every president since Bush, to include Trump. The reality is there isn't enough detention space to detain everyone who has been "caught".

That's one reason why private prison stock has been soaring since Trump was elected....

 

[Oompa Loompa]

1) There was no imaginary crime to cover up. Paying off people you cheat on your wife with and having them silenced through NDAs is not illegal. What is illegal is falsifying business records in doing so. He literally could have just written a check to Stormy and everything would have been fine, but he wanted to keep if from Melania the voters so the books were cooked.

2) No money was funneled from Hunter Biden to Joe Biden from any foreign entities. The DOJ and the GOP literally spent 7 years and found nothing that you wrongly claim occurred.

I am not going to waste my time unpacking everything that is wrong about your statements for two reason. 1.) It will likely be unfruitful. 2.) It is woefully off topic and is a distraction from the point.

 

[Say it aint so]

Those two policies were changes that Biden made to what the Trump administration was doing and enforcing.

That is a policy that just determines based on how meritorious a legal asylum seekers "initial" claim may be, determines whether they stay on US soil as they are processed, or remain in Mexico as it is processed. Meaning first, under Trump people were still allowed in the US, and second, this has not one thing to do with any change that allowed for more illegal immigrants. Either they are here, or in Mexico, it still counts.

 

[Say it aint so]

I am not going to waste my time unpacking everything that is wrong about your statements for two reason. 1.) It will likely be unfruitful. 2.) It is woefully off topic and is a distraction from the point.

Yeah, I wouldn't waste my time trying to convince people the moon landing was fake either. And, btw come topic I responded to what you brought up.

 

[Vambram]

That is a policy that just determines based on how meritorious a legal asylum seekers claim may be, determines whether they stay on US soil as they are processed, or remain in Mexico as it is processed. Meaning first, under Trump people were still allowed in the US, and second, this has not one thing to do with any change that allowed for more illegal immigrants. Either they are here, or in Mexico, it still counts.

Nevertheless, the facts show that we had a surge in illegal immigrants, or undocumented immigrants, come across our borders reaching record high numbers in the last 3 1/2 years. This is unsustainable. The USA doesn't have enough resources to keep on doing this.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Catch and Release has been the practice with every president since Bush, to include Trump. The reality is there isn't enough detention space to detain everyone who has been "caught".

That's one reason why private prison stock has been soaring since Trump was elected....

What on earth are you talking about? Did you already "memory hole" the "Abolish ICE" movement? Did you "memory hole" the wailing and gnashing of teeth because multiple migrant caravans were stuck at the Tijuana border and were forced to stay in Mexico? Did you "memory hole" the news stories that compared Trump to Hitler because he was sending his "jack booted thugs" (I.C.E.) to round up illegal immigrants and deport them? But magically, when Joe is elected, all these "atrocities" disappeared.

 

[wing2000]

What on earth are you talking about? Did you already "memory hole" the "Abolish ICE" movement? Did you "memory hole" the wailing and gnashing of teeth because multiple migrant caravans were stuck at the Tijuana border and were forced to stay in Mexico? Did you "memory hole" the news stories that compared Trump to Hitler because he was sending his "jack booted thugs" (I.C.E.) to round up illegal immigrants and deport them? But magically, when Joe is elected, all these "atrocities" disappeared.

Maybe you should take a deep breath or go for walk Oompa.
My only point was every recent President has released illegal immigrants because there is insufficient detention space to hold them all.

 

[Say it aint so]

Nevertheless, the facts show that we had a surge in illegal immigrants, or undocumented immigrants, come across our borders reaching record high numbers in the last 3 1/2 years. This is unsustainable. The USA doesn't have enough resources to keep on doing this.

Nevertheless what I said remains true.

 

[HARK!]

So who does Jesus advocate for:
(A) The Pharisees.
(B) The Sadducees.
(C) The down trodden; the least of us .

Those who repent. On an individual level it can be all or none of the above, and others who don't fall into one of those groups.

Do you know what repent means?

Who does he advocate against taking them to task for their application of the laws:
(A) The Pharisees.
(B) The Sadducees.
(C) The down trodden; the least of us.

All of them.

Now what do these Theological questions have to do with the topic of this thread?

Jesus don't like lawlessness.

He does not like it here nor there. He does not like it anywhere.

 

[HARK!]

My only point was every recent President has released illegal immigrants because there is insufficient detention space to hold them all.

Wouldn't it make more sense to just deport them?

Texas doesn't have a problem with prison space. Texas law enforcement gives them a choice. They can walk back across the border voluntarily, or go to prison. They opt to just cross back over.

 

[durangodawood]

Absolutely. In context, Paul was addressing the specific concerns of the Christians in Rome. These Christians were located in the heart of Roman oppression and faced many challenges. Paul is encouraging his followers to respect Roman authority so they can worship in peace. But as we know from other examples, faithfulness to the Lord takes higher priority than faithfulness to man.

This is what makes Christianity so exasperating.

Christians choose to think contextually when it suits them, and textually-only when it suit them, according to their personal disposition - which is increasingly politics driven.

Not saying you are doing it. But observing discussions over a long stretch, you can see this in action.

 

[Say it aint so]

Those who repent. On an individual level it can be all or none of the above, and others who don't fall into one of those groups.

Do you know what repent means?


All of them.

Now what do these Theological questions have to do with the topic of this thread?

Jesus don't like lawlessness.

He does not like it here nor there. He does not like it anywhere.

I'm sorry, maybe you should reread the words of Jesus. Start with the Sermon on the Mount and the Beattitudes. Jesus took to task those who were literally the adherents of their laws; repeatedly. You couldn't get more lawless than the people who were of the law wanting to snuff you out.

 

[wing2000]

Wouldn't it make more sense to just deport them?

...not every person who is detained can be deported immediately (in accordance with US laws). While the process plays out, they can either be detained or released.

Texas doesn't have a problem with prison space. Texas law enforcement gives them a choice. They can walk back across the border voluntarily, or go to prison. They opt to just cross back over.

I doubt Texas has a enough space. Do you have information that demonstrates otherwise?

 

[HARK!]

I doubt Texas has a enough space. Do you have information that demonstrates otherwise?

I posted an article on this subject a little while back, here on CF.

 

[KathrynAragon]

Texas has a lot of space. Lots of life sustaining space? Not so much.

A sustainable Texas is possible, but we have to get to work - Houston Advanced Research Center

harcresearch.org

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Maybe you should take a deep breath or go for walk Oompa.
My only point was every recent President has released illegal immigrants because there is insufficient detention space to hold them all.

Except Trump who kept them in Mexico.