True love doesn't exist...

[large fry please.]

True love only exists in our imagination and within the ideals we create for ourselves. True love would be like claiming an absolute, it would need to be static in nature, unconditional at all costs, anything besides would prove that it's just a state of mind or a feeling we have at a certain moment. When we choose a mate we have conditions attached don't we? Thats not true love. True love would be like the dolphins who mate for life and excluding the rare occasion, if their mate dies the other FISH will not seek another mate. Don't misunderstand me, I would love to have one beautiful women and a family, a small one. {having too many kids is just stupid!} But if either of us were to "get wiggy" our love would end. Now we start to see why the divorce rate is 50%. Love is conditional, therefore it is not true love. True love; like morality changes with time. any thoughts????

 

[BarbB]

I disagree that true love is static in nature. Instead I think true love grows and grows.

 

[large fry please.]

I disagree that true love is static in nature. Instead I think true love grows and grows.

why do you disagree? I don't think you understand my statement. Are there conditions attached to true love? That would be an example of a simple question generated by this thread.

 

[billwald]

There are many activities that are better in theory than practice, such as love an marriage, but we do them, anyway.

 

[Lisa0315]

True love only exists in our imagination and within the ideals we create for ourselves. True love would be like claiming an absolute, it would need to be static in nature, unconditional at all costs, anything besides would prove that it's just a state of mind or a feeling we have at a certain moment. When we choose a mate we have conditions attached don't we? Thats not true love. True love would be like the dolphins who mate for life and excluding the rare occasion, if their mate dies the other FISH will not seek another mate. Don't misunderstand me, I would love to have one beautiful women and a family, a small one. {having too many kids is just stupid!} But if either of us were to "get wiggy" our love would end. Now we start to see why the divorce rate is 50%. Love is conditional, therefore it is not true love. True love; like morality changes with time. any thoughts????

True love does exist. I am witness # 1. Any others out there who can testify to the true love of Christ?

 

[jingwei]

True love exists. for example i love god and his son christ and my parents and would give my life for them.

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

Any others out there who can testify to the true love of Christ?

Absolutely, I sure can

 

[Aimee30]

True love only exists in our imagination and within the ideals we create for ourselves. True love would be like claiming an absolute, it would need to be static in nature, unconditional at all costs, anything besides would prove that it's just a state of mind or a feeling we have at a certain moment. When we choose a mate we have conditions attached don't we? Thats not true love. True love would be like the dolphins who mate for life and excluding the rare occasion, if their mate dies the other FISH will not seek another mate. Don't misunderstand me, I would love to have one beautiful women and a family, a small one. {having too many kids is just stupid!} But if either of us were to "get wiggy" our love would end. Now we start to see why the divorce rate is 50%. Love is conditional, therefore it is not true love. True love; like morality changes with time. any thoughts????

The Bible says something to the effect it is not good for a man to be alone. So I don't agree exactly that one would not seek another mate after the death of the other or if God provides, one be sent to them. They should at least seek friendship with someone. Being alone is the pits.
True love--however or at least real love--would be a person who cares about another person so much they would fight the rest of the world to have you if they had to. If they wouldn't have any loyalty to you and would not protect you from harm or what you don't want to happen to you--they are just in love with the idea of what they can make you into/make you do for them or perhaps cannot love someone else as much as themsleves/have problems that prevent them from loving someone deeply. That is my definition.

 

[Strange_Wonderer]

I only believe in love in the biological-chemical-imbalence-of-the-brain-sense.

But I still accept it even if it is like that. If I like the feeling I feel towards someone, then I don't care wether it's spiritual, magical, blah, blah, blah or biological.

 

[Spinrad]

True love only exists in our imagination and within the ideals we create for ourselves. True love would be like claiming an absolute, it would need to be static in nature, unconditional at all costs, anything besides would prove that it's just a state of mind or a feeling we have at a certain moment. When we choose a mate we have conditions attached don't we? Thats not true love. True love would be like the dolphins who mate for life and excluding the rare occasion, if their mate dies the other FISH will not seek another mate. Don't misunderstand me, I would love to have one beautiful women and a family, a small one. {having too many kids is just stupid!} But if either of us were to "get wiggy" our love would end. Now we start to see why the divorce rate is 50%. Love is conditional, therefore it is not true love. True love; like morality changes with time. any thoughts????

I agree with your basic premise, but your examples and conditions seem overworked. Love is as "true" as you make it. I am truly in love with my wife because she meets certain conditions that I require to be happy. I think the problem is that "love" encompasses a great deal of seperate and important emotional interactions. It's not one single response. It's a collection of responses, inculding friendship, empathy, sympathy, selfishness, lUst, survival...the fact that we "love" our relatives and also "love" our spouses or children demonstrates this.

 

[lawtonfogle]

The Bible says something to the effect it is not good for a man to be alone. So I don't agree exactly that one would not seek another mate after the death of the other or if God provides, one be sent to them. They should at least seek friendship with someone. Being alone is the pits.
True love--however or at least real love--would be a person who cares about another person so much they would fight the rest of the world to have you if they had to. If they wouldn't have any loyalty to you and would not protect you from harm or what you don't want to happen to you--they are just in love with the idea of what they can make you into/make you do for them or perhaps cannot love someone else as much as themsleves/have problems that prevent them from loving someone deeply. That is my definition.

That is not completely correct. They would fight the world not to have them, for then it is selfish. Instead, they would fight the world so that the person you love would be safe, be happy.

 

[lawtonfogle]

As for the OP, I could disagree with personal experince, but what would that matter to the original poster. Instead, I shall disagree with logic. You say that if an absolute truth exist, then it invokes an absolute. Well, if it does not, then it then invokes another absolute, the one of it not existing. Even if you then say it may be one way or another, you just donot know which one it is, you still invoke the absolute that it is one way or another, and at the same time, invoke one of the before absolutes, just do not know which one.

So the fact that true love does not exist becuase it would invoke an absolute is false, because the same effect is done backwards.

Just remember, you can invoke the absolute there is absolutes, but how can you invoke the absolute there is no absolutes. And invoking the absolute you do not see proof one way are another should be enough proof to make up your mind.

 

[SackLunch]

True love only exists in our imagination and within the ideals we create for ourselves. True love would be like claiming an absolute, it would need to be static in nature, unconditional at all costs, anything besides would prove that it's just a state of mind or a feeling we have at a certain moment. When we choose a mate we have conditions attached don't we? Thats not true love. True love would be like the dolphins who mate for life and excluding the rare occasion, if their mate dies the other FISH will not seek another mate. Don't misunderstand me, I would love to have one beautiful women and a family, a small one. {having too many kids is just stupid!} But if either of us were to "get wiggy" our love would end. Now we start to see why the divorce rate is 50%. Love is conditional, therefore it is not true love. True love; like morality changes with time. any thoughts????

Depends how you define love. The Bible says that there is no greater love than for one to lay down his life for his friends, which is what Jesus did for us. But for romantic love, which is what I think you are talking about here, it's a different story.

Romantic love isn't just gazing into each other's eyes and being all passionate all the time like you see in movies. That's ridiculous. Love is all about learning to give up YOUR self-interest and focus on the interest of your mate. Selfishness is one HUGE sin that impacts mankind in a very negative way. Everyone has it. It's just a matter of making the effort to confront this selfishness that we really show our love to our mate.

You may roll your eyes at this, but my wife and I are both Christians. Our focus is not on ourselves in this temporary world, but on Christ and our eternal life with Him. This way, when we keep our focus on God, it keeps focus off ourselves and our own selfishness. It's not what I want, it's what God wants.

 

[SackLunch]

The Bible says something to the effect it is not good for a man to be alone. So I don't agree exactly that one would not seek another mate after the death of the other or if God provides, one be sent to them. They should at least seek friendship with someone. Being alone is the pits.
True love--however or at least real love--would be a person who cares about another person so much they would fight the rest of the world to have you if they had to. If they wouldn't have any loyalty to you and would not protect you from harm or what you don't want to happen to you--they are just in love with the idea of what they can make you into/make you do for them or perhaps cannot love someone else as much as themsleves/have problems that prevent them from loving someone deeply. That is my definition.

I agree with you for the most part, Aimee. When God created Adam, I believe, He said it's not good for man to be alone, so He gave Adam a helper (woman). But with that said, this verse has, in my opinion, been overused and misapplied in the Christian community and has fostered so much pressure to get married.

In reality, God's timing is what really determines when a person is to meet their mate. It's God's will. So it's no wonder the divorce rate amongst Christians is so high, because there's so much internal pressure to get married - even at a young age. It shouldn't be this way!

I also do remember the verse where Paul says he'd rather all Christian men to be single like himself, but that God calls everyone out to different missions in life.

 

[John812]

God's love is true. So is Jesus' love. I hope mine is also!


God bless ya!

 

[SackLunch]

God's love is true. So is Jesus' love. I hope mine is also!


God bless ya!

By the way, that's one heavy-looking cross, John!

 

[tgg]

Hi,

I don't see any reason to have to fight for someone's love. Either they inherently love you or they don't.


tgg

 

[tgg]

]In reality, God's timing is what really determines when a person is to meet their mate. It's God's will. So it's no wonder the divorce rate amongst Christians is so high, because there's so much internal pressure to get married - even at a young age. It shouldn't be this way!

I also do remember the verse where Paul says he'd rather all Christian men to be single like himself, but that God calls everyone out to different missions in life.

Sacklunch,

You are absolutely right! Marriage is not a paradise, but an union and mental institute.

In his article "Is Marriage Needed Today?", David Hutchinson states that too many people rush into marriage for the wrong reason - and that is to legitimise sex. For the most part, marriage is a gradually decaying institution based on man's insecurity and the desire to own and control women.

Marriages are not made in heaven, but on earth by people.


tgg

 

[BlueRose]

True love only exists in our imagination and within the ideals we create for ourselves. True love would be...unconditional at all costs, anything besides would prove that it's just a state of mind or a feeling we have at a certain moment. When we choose a mate we have conditions attached don't we? Thats not true love...Love is conditional, therefore it is not true love.

I'm sorry, but you're confusing what love actually is. Your last statement I quoted--"Love is conditional", is not love at all. Love isn't conditional. That would be like "I will love you only if you do such and such..." And that's not what love actually is.

You were right, that true love would be unconditional, and that's exactly what it is. Love is NOT a feeling. A feeling translates more into "like" or "lust".

Love is a choice. However, it's not something that can suddenly be lost, either. It takes many "choices" and time to develop strong love (relationship-wise), and so it takes a long time to let go of that love as well.

Even when there seem to be strings attached, such as "Do not ever cheat on me", that does not mean that if that happens, the love is gone. What appears to be conditional, in your eyes, is actually the hurt and other feelings that arise when one loves another and the conditions aren't met.

Actual love is not conditional. Commitment might be conditional, but not love.

 

[christalee4]

True love does exist. I am witness # 1. Any others out there who can testify to the true love of Christ?

I think the OP-er is talking about true love in a relationship between humans.

Yes, I will agree it's a human-created concept in terms of the love relationships between a man and a woman, husband and wife, and so on. If it does happen, I think it happens rarely, in which two people find each other in the maze of people in this world, and are really meant for one another.

The only feeling that comes close to a "true love" type of visceral emotion is the love between the mother and child.