True Justification, works of the Law of Moses, & Conditional Security

[stuart lawrence]

I have clearly shown you Jesus died for all a christians sins at Calvary, past, present and future. I have given multiple verses and explanations to back this up. You refuse to admit according to scripture it is the truth.
So please, do not ask me to answer your questions when you deny the truth put before you

 

[expos4ever]

I have clearly shown you Jesus died for all a christians sins at Calvary, past, present and future. I have given multiple verses and explanations to back this up. You refuse to admit according to scripture it is the truth.
So please, do not ask me to answer your questions when you deny the truth put before you

I answered your question.

What does Paul mean here?:

6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

 

[stuart lawrence]

You cannot refute according to the verses given with explanation it is the truth, you cannot address the points made, so you simply try and evade answering with deflections.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Maybe I should answer your question by simply deflecting from the point you want addressed. Then I would be responding ad you respond to ne. But that would be pointless

 

[expos4ever]

You cannot refute according to the verses given with explanation it is the truth, you cannot address the points made, so you simply try and evade answering with deflections.

I answered your question - you do not like the answer. Your turn to answer my question:

What does Paul mean here?:

6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I answered your question.

What does Paul mean here?:

6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Hebrews 10:14, Hebrew 9:26, gal2:21, rom 10:4, ron3:28, rom3:19-22 gal2:21, phil3:9

 

[stuart lawrence]

So now I respond ad you respond to me!

 

[EmSw]

You need to understand the spiritual reality. If anyone could be TRULY righteous before God according to obedience to the law Christ need not have died at Calvary for our sins.

How were all the ones mentioned in the verses I gave, righteous? Is the Bible lying and they are not truly righteous?

 

[stuart lawrence]

How were all the ones mentioned in the verses I gave, righteous? Is the Bible lying and they are not truly righteous?

If they were truly righteous David lied in psalms 143:2 did he?
There is a difference between being considered righteous because in your heart you want to follow God and obey him, and being TRULY righteous according to the standard the law sets
I repeat, if even one person could have been truly righteous under the law Christ need not have died at Calvary, for then heaven could have bern attained under the law
Jesus said to the people:

Has not Moses given you the law, yet NOT ONE of you keeps the law john 7:19

 

[stuart lawrence]

How were all the ones mentioned in the verses I gave, righteous? Is the Bible lying and they are not truly righteous?

The law is inflexible. There is no pass mark as it were to attain heaven under it, apart from one. 100% perfect obedience. No one attained to that so no one was truly righteous under the law hence Davids words

 

[EmSw]

The law is inflexible. There is no pass mark as it were to attain heaven under it, apart from one. 100% perfect obedience. No one attained to that so no one was truly righteous under the law hence Davids words

Wow! Do you really believe no one from the OT is in heaven? Before you say they looked forward to Christ, you may want to provide some passages which confirm this.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Wow! Do you really believe no one from the OT is in heaven? Before you say they looked forward to Christ, you may want to provide some passages which confirm this.

No one in ot tines died and went to heaven to dwell with God for all rely on chrits sacrifice at Calvary to attain heaven. Before you quote Elijah, Paul said he was taken to the third heaven, so obviously biblically speaking there is more than one place referred to ad heaven
Read ron3:25 as you wanted a verse.
Col 1:18 Christ is the FIRST to rise from the dead so in all things he might have the supremacy. Not Abraham, not Noah, not Moses or anyone else, but Christ

 

[stuart lawrence]

Wow! Do you really believe no one from the OT is in heaven? Before you say they looked forward to Christ, you may want to provide some passages which confirm this.

NO ONE has ever entered heaven except the one who came from heaven, the son of man john 3:13

 

[expos4ever]

Hebrews 10:14, Hebrew 9:26, gal2:21, rom 10:4, ron3:28, rom3:19-22 gal2:21, phil3:9

Obviously, not an answer. I am asking you to state what you think those verses mean. I think you are in a corner: you know, as anyone obviously would, that in Romans 2:6-7, Paul declares that a final declaration of righteousness is based on good works.

And that does not sit well with your position. But, you cannot afford to come out and say that you believe Paul is mistaken in Romans 2:6-7.

So you don't answer.

Makes sense, in a way.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Obviously, not an answer. I am asking you to state what you think those verses mean. I think you are in a corner: you know, as anyone obviously would, that in Romans 2:6-7, Paul declares that a final declaration of righteousness is based on good works.

And that does not sit well with your position. But, you cannot afford to come out and say that you believe Paul is mistaken in Romans 2:6-7.

So you don't answer.

Makes sense, in a way.

It doesn't sit well with your position that all you can do is deflect from answering a question in regard to the core of the christian faith. I told you, we cabbot move on until we understand the basics
Your verses are not difficult to respond to. However, I am not going to have a debate where you refuse to address the question repeatedly asked, only deflect from doing so, but then expect your qusstion to be fully addressed
All you have to do is admit Jesus died for all the christians sins at Calvary, past, present and future. I have proved to you that is correct from the texts supplied

 

[JLB777]

Deflect, deflect, deflect

Can you read?????

Observing the law of Moses is a sin, because we are not to murder an innocent person for picking up sticks on the Sabbath when there is no law in effect that commands this action.


15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. .
Exodus 31:15


By observing the law of Moses a person would have to obey this law, and since it's obsolete whoever carried out this law would be guilty of murder.


JLB

 

[expos4ever]

I wish to repent of my explanation of Romans 10:4 - my previous explanations of my position on that text have been misleading, I concede.

I think Paul's main point is that Christ is the "end" as in the destination of the Law of Moses - God uses the Law of Moses as part of the plan leading to the Cross. So Paul is saying Christ is where righteousness is to be found, but that the Law of Moses is an integral part of God's plan to get us there.

Does this mean that Paul is saying here in Romans 10:4 that the Law of Moses has come to an end? Well, implicitly yes. Paul believes that the goal of the Law has been met - Christ has done His work.

Therefore, he believes the Law of Moses can be set aside, having "done its job".

Either way, we know from other things Paul writes that the Law of Moses has been retired.

Paul's emphasis in Romans 10:4, though, is not that the Law has come to an end, but rather that the "destination" of the Law - the place in redemption history where the Law is leading is, yes, Christ.

More support in the next post.

 

[expos4ever]

Observing the law of Moses is a sin, because we are not to murder an innocent person for picking up sticks on the Sabbath when there is no law in effect that commands this action.

Although I answered his question differently. I agree with what you are saying here.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Can you read?????

Observing the law of Moses is a sin, because we are not to murder an innocent person for picking up sticks on the Sabbath when there is no law in effect that commands this action.


15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. .
Exodus 31:15


By observing the law of Moses a person would have to obey this law, and since it's obsolete whoever carried out this law would be guilty of murder.


JLB

Pure deflection
Sin is transgression of the law

Is observing the law not committing sin?

I know, deflect, deflect, deflect

If Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness can a person be made unrighteous for their imperfections concerning that law( their sin)

I know, deflect, deflect, deflect

Please don't tell me no law exists it has been written on the mind and placed on the heart of the christian(heb10:16&17)
The law written on stone has been placed there( 2cor3:3)

 

[stuart lawrence]

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Pure deflection
Sin is transgression of the law

Is observing the law not committing sin?

I know, deflect, deflect, deflect

If Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness can a person be made unrighteous for their imperfections concerning that law( their sin)

I know, deflect, deflect, deflect

Please don't tell me no law exists it has been written on the mind and placed on the heart of the christian(heb10:16&17)
The law written on stone had been placed there 2cor3:3)

O you know what observing the law means based on what you wrote in red enboldened but told ne I wasn't making clear what observing the law meant?
Terrible. I guess you will fo anything to avoid answering the question. But you are not the only one!