stuart lawrence
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It won't bother me I you put the question up 100 times. Until you stop running away from properly answering my question yours will not be answered
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It won't bother me I you put the question up 100 times. Until you stop running away from properly answering my question yours will not be answeredEnough, I have answered your question. I will keep asking mine and the moderators will have to stop me, because I will keep asking.
I know why you won't answer.
I will do nothing but repeat my insistence that you answer my question:
What does Paul mean here?:
6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
To hear some speak makes you wonder how they can believe they have a saviour from sin.
For if Jesus death at Calvary only ended a righteousness of obedience to the mosaic law-not the moral law, how does a Gentile benefit from Christ's death at Calvary? They were never under the mosaic law!
H refuse to answer the question i put to you I cannot sadly respond to what you writeBeing justified by faith, and blessed, which blessed is a reference to the Abrahamic Covenant.
That is how the Gentile benefits from The Gospel.
And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. Galatians 3:8
What does Paul mean here?:You have not answered it. The plain truth is you are afraid to do so for you know it will cause you problems.
If we observe the law do we keep the law and therefore not commit sin?
How can that be hard to answer?
Why not look up the word observe in the dictionary if you are struggling with the concept
What does Paul mean here?:It won't bother me I you put the question up 100 times. Until you stop running away from properly answering my question yours will not be answered
I'll tell you as soon as you tell me if observing the law is not committing sinWhat does Paul mean here?:
6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
You evaded answering because you don't understand the spiritual aspect of Paul's gospel.the Hebrew catholic knows it is one whom law, she answered the question. You are just trying to evade answering for you don't understand the covenant. If you did you would answer the question. Paul simply stated in his letters people did not have a righteousness of observing the law, he didn't expand in the statement which law he was talking about. He knew his readers would know what he meant. Clearly you do not know, or are afraid to say
I'll tell you as soon as you tell me if observing the law is not committing sin
It is interesting to note the two people Thi question had been put to who most attack what I write(apart from Jason) refuse to answer the same simple question. The only reason you both refuse to do so is because you do not understand the new covenant. You think to answer it would be stating a licence to sin. So what are you left to do? DEFLECT!I answered your vague question, and explained my answer.
The sin concerning the law of Moses, was not doing all the law.
The law is not of faith. Galatians 3:12
...anything not from faith is sin. Romans 14:23
JLB
Keep it up! When Paul stated the christian had a righteousness apart from observing the law he didn't elaborate as to which law. Why not? Because he knew hid readers would understand what he meant, the whole law, it came as one whole law just ask the Hebrew catholic.Observing as in looking at, but not doing?
Observing what law?
JLB
Keep it up! When Paul stated the christian had a righteousness apart from observing the law he didn't elaborate as to which law. Why not? Because he knew hid readers would understand what he meant, the whole law, it came as one whole law just ask the Hebrew catholic.
The more you deflect, the more you show you do not understand the covenant and have therefore no confidence to answer the question
Deflect, deflect, deflectThat's your excuse for not clarifying something you no nothing about.
The law of Moses was added to the Abrahamic Covenant, until the Seed should come.
Just ask Paul.
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made... Galatians 3:19
The Seed has come, and the law has been abolished in His flesh. Ephesians 2:14-15
But only that which was added, has now been removed.
Abraham obeyed God's laws and commandments by faith, 430 years before the law.
Observing the law of Moses is a sin, because we are not to murder an innocent person for picking up sticks on the Sabbath when there is no law in effect that commands this action.
15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. . Exodus 31:15
By observing the law of Moses a person would have to obey this law, and since it's obsolete whoever carried out this law would be guilty of murder.
Next question.
JLB
Thank you, then do you agree with the following? If you do not please explain why you do not.
If we can reach agreement here I am happy to move forward with you also:
Paul states:
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law. Rom 3:20
For we maintain a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law rom 3:28
We who are Jews by birth and not gentile sinners know that a man is not justified by observing the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we too have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified gal2:15&16
Observing the law is not committing sin. Paul states plainly no one will be justified/righteous before God by observing the law, and observing the law is not committing sin. Therefore the Christian has a righteousness/justification before God apart from sin in their life.
Therefore, in that case, is it correct to say, Jesus MUST have died for all your sins at Calvary, past, present and future?
Your where I used to be at 20 years ago!That's your excuse for not clarifying something you no nothing about.
The law of Moses was added to the Abrahamic Covenant, until the Seed should come.
Just ask Paul.
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made... Galatians 3:19
The Seed has come, and the law has been abolished in His flesh. Ephesians 2:14-15
But only that which was added, has now been removed.
Abraham obeyed God's laws and commandments by faith, 430 years before the law.
Observing the law of Moses is a sin, because we are not to murder an innocent person for picking up sticks on the Sabbath when there is no law in effect that commands this action.
15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. . Exodus 31:15
By observing the law of Moses a person would have to obey this law, and since it's obsolete whoever carried out this law would be guilty of murder.
Next question.
JLB
If you are implying Paul taught a false Gospel I hope you are ejected from this websiteDeuteronomy 6:25
Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the Lord our God, as He has commanded us.
Hmmm, Moses speaks in opposition to Paul, totally opposite. Maybe Paul should have searched the Old Testament more carefully before making such a statement. Paul said this in Galatians 1 -
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Anything revealed through Jesus does not contradict the truth of His word. Perhaps Paul should have listened and received the truth from the man Moses, and then he would have known the truth according to the truth of Moses revealed.
So now, tell us what you are trying to say. I don't understand your reasoning. According to Moses, for anyone observing the commandments of the law, it will be righteousness for them.
I am afraid you lack true knowledge of this subject. It would be considered their righteousness I they obeyed the law, but of course no one could perfectly obey it and reach the standard to be TRULY righteous before God, hence Davids words:Deuteronomy 6:25
Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the Lord our God, as He has commanded us.
Hmmm, Moses speaks in opposition to Paul, totally opposite. Maybe Paul should have searched the Old Testament more carefully before making such a statement. Paul said this in Galatians 1 -
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Anything revealed through Jesus does not contradict the truth of His word. Perhaps Paul should have listened and received the truth from the man Moses, and then he would have known the truth according to the truth of Moses revealed.
So now, tell us what you are trying to say. I don't understand your reasoning. According to Moses, for anyone observing the commandments of the law, it will be righteousness for them.
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