Amen Jason..can we continue in prayer for others? At this time I can't think of any sin I have not yet confessed and been cleansed of but there could be hidden sins one is not aware of. Thank you all for the fellowship.
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Amen Jason..can we continue in prayer for others? At this time I can't think of any sin I have not yet confessed and been cleansed of but there could be hidden sins one is not aware of. Thank you all for the fellowship.Yes, but 1 John 1:9 is not a one time event in most cases for a believer. It is imperative that they continue to confess their sin or they are not forgiven of their sin and cleansed of unrighteousness.
In 1 John 2:1 (which follows a little after 1 John 1:9), John states, "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
So John is telling us to:
(a) Not sin.
(b) If we do sin, we have an advocate that we can go to.
Furthermore, what does 1 John 1:9 say?
It says we are actually forgiven IF.... IF we confess our sin.
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9).
For David had confessed of his sin to get God so as to stay right with the Lord (Psalm 51).
Proverbs 28:13 says, "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy."
But notice what John is really saying here. He says bring forth FRUITS worthy of repentance (or confession). In other words, as you said, it does no good to confess if there is no real change in one's life.
Not only are they in bondage to sin if they do not confess of their sins, but if they do not confess and they have backslidden into a life style of sin, they are not saved. They need to repent and get their heart right with the Lord to have life again.
But notice verse 7. It does not say "belief." It says if we WALK in the light as He is in the light, .....(then what happens)? It says we have fellowship and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses of all sin. This lines up perfectly with 1 John 2:3-4 that says,
"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
Well, I know what James 5:19-20 says and you did not quote it. In fact, it is a passage I wanted to quote above, but you left it out. Let's see what it says.
"Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." (James 5:19-20).
Many here will say that a believer's sins are paid for past, present, and future. However, James above here is saying that if one errors or slides away from the truth and another believer converts them back to the faith, they are to realize that they have converted this backslidden believing sinner from their error of their ways and have helped to save their soul from spiritual death (whereby their sins would be covered by their repentance towards Christ in coming back to the faith).
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Again, you think you are exclusively special in this regards. You are not. The Old Testament saint was told by God to keep the law in his heart, too. Putting the Word in your heart is to internalize it so that you may not sin against Him.
Psalm 119:11 - "Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee."
Deuteronomy 4:39, “Therefore know this day, and consider it in your heart, that the LORD Himself is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other.
Deuteronomy 6:6, “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart.”
Deuteronomy 8:2, “And you shall remember that the LORD your God led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, to humble you and test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not.”
Deuteronomy 11:18, “Therefore you shall lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul, and bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”
Deuteronomy 30:14, “But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it.”
Psalm 37:31, “The law of his God is in his heart; None of his steps shall slide.”
Psalm 119:10, “With my whole heart I have sought You; Oh, let me not wander from Your commandments!”
Psalm 119:34, “Give me understanding, and I shall keep Your law; Indeed, I shall observe it with my whole heart.”
Psalm 119:69, “The proud have forged a lie against me, But I will keep Your precepts with my whole heart.”
Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, You people in whose heart is My law: Do not fear the reproach of men, Nor be afraid of their insults.”
Psalm 40:8 “I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law is within my heart.”
Proverbs 3:1, “My son, do not forget my law, But let your heart keep my commands.”
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You have to rightly divide the word JasonActually, you left out an important word that shows up in Romans 6:1. It is the word "continue."
Paul asks the question: "
"Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?"
According to what you said so far, the answer would be a "yes" because you told me that you do not believe you can stop sinning or cease from sin. You also told me that Galatians says that we will be found as sinners, too.
However, what is Paul's reply to this question on whether or not we should continue in sin? Paul says, "God forbid." (Romans 8:2).
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But is there victory over sin in your life? You told me that you do not believe in Sinless Perfectionism or that a believer cannot stop from sinning.
For can an alcoholic claim victory over alcohol if they say they cannot ever stop? Surely not.
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No Jason, according to the writer of Hebrews there are two core components of the new covenant for he quotes them from Jeremiah31That would require a rather lengthy reply with Scripture (Which would be deserving of it's own thread). But I believe I already expressed before what a person must do in order to be saved and what lies beneath in one doing that (Which is a love - that can only come from God).
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But before I slipped into slumber last night, God showed me that even the moral laws are not exactly the same as the moral laws of today. For the judicial law had at times intertwined with disobedience to certain moral laws (sort of like how two different color threads are woven together as one). That is not the case today. Hence, why Paul argued so strongly that we are under a New Covenant whereby the Old Law did not exactly apply anymore.Good afternoon Jason(uk time) I hope you slept well. Now please forgive me, but every day I am just going to put some general information up.
You agree with me Paul could faultlessly obey all the law apart from the moral law. You also believe the only law not being spoken of in Gal 3:10&11 was the moral law. Therefore you believe Paul could faultlessly obey the law he refers to in the following:
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.’e]'>[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because ‘the righteous will live by faith.
I will now address your other posts
And I am sure you do not believe it is bridling the tongue to bear false witness.But before I slipped into slumber last night, God showed me that even the moral laws are not exactly the same as the moral laws of today. For the judicial law had at times intertwined with disobedience to certain moral laws (sort of like how two different color threads are woven together as one). That is not the case today. Hence, why Paul argued so strongly that we are under a New Covenant whereby the Old Law did not exactly apply anymore. God does not change in respect of who He is. God still holy and must punish sin if a person sins against God. Having a mere belief that Jesus alone is not going to cut it. James said a man's religion is in vain if he does not even learn to bridle his tongue. Jesus said a man brings forth (i.e. speaks) from whatever kind of treasure is in his heart. For an evil heart will speak evil things.
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I am glad we can agree. 1 John 1:9 is a promise you can always bank on so as to be cleansed of unrighteousness and overcome sin, my friend.Amen Jason..can we continue in prayer for others? At this time I can't think of any sin I have not yet confessed and been cleansed of but there could be hidden sins one is not aware of. Thank you all for the fellowship.
Having a mere belief that Jesus alone is one's Savior is not going to cut it.
As I said before, I am willing to make ammends if you merely talk straight with me in what I said specifically you do not believe. As of this date:And I am sure you do not believe it is bridling the tongue to bear false witness.
Perhaps you could give me an example of a moral law God showed you has changed since biblical times. I have not heard this mentioned before. Again, I must be honest. It seems to me you will say anything in order to try and deflect away from the inescapable problem you now have with Gal3:10&11 as to your stated beliefs. I will each day be putting that post forth, it is only fair others know of the contradictions in your beliefs as this gives them opportunity to avoid them
It is "mere" or "meaningless" if that is all a person has through out the course of their entire life. For James says faith without works is dead (James 2:17). For even the demons believe and tremble (James 2:19). Granted, James is talking about God directed works and not man directed works. For Paul even said, examine whether you be in the faith or not; know not your own selves and prove whether or not Christ is in you unless you be rebrobate (2 Corinthians 13:5).I have to disagree with this. Belief in the power of Jesus Christ is in no way "mere".
Let us keep the Word of God in the correct perspective.Again, you think you are exclusively special in this regards. You are not. The Old Testament saint was told by God to keep the law in his heart, too. Putting the Word in your heart is to internalize it so that you may not sin against Him.
Psalm 119:11 - "Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee."
Deuteronomy 4:39, “Therefore know this day, and consider it in your heart, that the LORD Himself is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other.
Deuteronomy 6:6, “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart.”
Deuteronomy 8:2, “And you shall remember that the LORD your God led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, to humble you and test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not.”
Deuteronomy 11:18, “Therefore you shall lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul, and bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”
Deuteronomy 30:14, “But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it.”
Psalm 37:31, “The law of his God is in his heart; None of his steps shall slide.”
Psalm 119:10, “With my whole heart I have sought You; Oh, let me not wander from Your commandments!”
Psalm 119:34, “Give me understanding, and I shall keep Your law; Indeed, I shall observe it with my whole heart.”
Psalm 119:69, “The proud have forged a lie against me, But I will keep Your precepts with my whole heart.”
Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, You people in whose heart is My law: Do not fear the reproach of men, Nor be afraid of their insults.”
Psalm 40:8 “I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law is within my heart.”
Proverbs 3:1, “My son, do not forget my law, But let your heart keep my commands.”
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Well I will answer which I hope is ok. I have been following this discussion since yesterday and trying not to interrrupt.As I said before, I am willing to make ammends if you merely talk straight with me in what I said specifically you do not believe. As of this date:
(a) I believe you deny that a believer can stop sinning. Is this true? Yes or no?
(b) I believe you hold to the view that in certain cases it is okay for a believer to die unrepentant sin and still be saved. Is this true? Yes or no?
(c) I believe you made the claim that you are not under any law whatsover salvation wise. That all one needs to have is a belief on Jesus as their Savior in order to truly obey God. I also believe you ignore the consequences to certain Commands given by God like 1 John 3:15, Matthew 6:15 as a result of this belief. Is this true? Yes or no?
(d) I believe you said to me that Galatians was telling us that we will be found as sinners. Does this mean you are a sinner right now? If so, what sins are committing that would define you as such?
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It is "mere" or "meaningless" if that is all a person has through out the course of their entire life. For James says faith without works is dead (James 2:17). For even the demons believe and tremble (James 2:19). Granted, James is talking about God directed works and not man directed works. For Paul even said, examine whether you be in the faith or not; know not your own selves and prove whether or not Christ is in you unless your rebrobate (2 Corinthians 13:5).
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A) I deny any believer will reach sinless perfection on this earth. Does that answer your first question?As I said before, I am willing to make ammends if you merely talk straight with me in what I said specifically you do not believe. As of this date:
(a) I believe you deny that a believer can stop sinning. Is this true? Yes or no?
(b) I believe you hold to the view that in certain cases it is okay for a believer to die unrepentant sin and still be saved. Is this true? Yes or no?
(c) I believe you made the claim that you are not under any law whatsover salvation wise. That all one needs to have is a belief on Jesus as their Savior in order to truly obey God. I also believe you ignore the consequences to certain Commands given by God like 1 John 3:15, Matthew 6:15 as a result of this belief. Is this true? Yes or no?
(d) I believe you said to me that Galatians was telling us that we will be found as sinners. Does this mean you are a sinner right now? If so, what sins are committing that would define you as such?
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Jason, please respond to the emboldened in the post I replied to of yours, it was only one question, I will place it again here in case you missed it:As I said before, I am willing to make ammends if you merely talk straight with me in what I said specifically you do not believe. As of this date:
(a) I believe you deny that a believer can stop sinning. Is this true? Yes or no?
(b) I believe you hold to the view that in certain cases it is okay for a believer to die unrepentant sin and still be saved. Is this true? Yes or no?
(c) I believe you made the claim that you are not under any law whatsover salvation wise. That all one needs to have is a belief on Jesus as their Savior in order to truly obey God. I also believe you ignore the consequences to certain Commands given by God like 1 John 3:15, Matthew 6:15 as a result of this belief. Is this true? Yes or no?
(d) I believe you said to me that Galatians was telling us that we will be found as sinners. Does this mean you are a sinner right now? If so, what sins are committing that would define you as such?
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Saul the pharisee observes Torah, he is no law breaker, he has not rebuilt that which he destroyed.Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a law-breaker
During the justification process we are evident sinners, for the process takes time to cross over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness. Now how would that look to someone who didn't understand the Gospel. They would see someone rejoicing in their salvation while still having evident sin in their life. What would they think. Christ must promote sin. Paul says this is absolutely not true. But if he rebuilt what he had destroyed, and once again lived under a law of righteousness(striving to defeat the sin to be justified before God) he would fail, and simply prove he was a lawbreaker, for sin is transgression of the law
Why could you not give that answer Jason?
But why did Christ die?But is there victory over sin in your life? You told me that you do not believe in Sinless Perfectionism or that a believer cannot stop from sinning.
For can an alcoholic claim victory over alcohol if they say they cannot ever stop? Surely not.
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