True Justification, works of the Law of Moses, & Conditional Security

[stuart lawrence]

I was just glancing thru the paragraphs and it is absolutely disgusting. A person admitting defeat that they always be a sinner. That is giving into the darkness. One cannot be a slave to righteousness if they admit they will always sin. It is a contradiction in terms.

Proverbs 28:13 says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.


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Really Jason. By the end of the chapter the man no longer gets drunk, swears, has affairs, or uses foul language. I like the way you put your slant on it, entirely untrue of course, but at least you are consistent!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Really Jason. By the end of the chapter the man no longer gets drunk, swears, has affairs, or uses foul language. I like the way you put your slant on it, entirely untrue of course, but at least you are constant

I don't think that is the reality of the situation. It is false propoganda, a fair tale, or a story that turns out differently in the end. Telling someone that there is no consequence to sin has led believers to commit suicide thinking they were saved and even to kill others (thinking they were saved).


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[stuart lawrence]

I don't think that is the reality of the situation. It is false propoganda, a fair tale, or a story that turns out differently in the end. Telling someone that there is no consequence to sin has led believers to commit suicide thinking they were saved and even to kill others (thinking they were saved).


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[stuart lawrence]

Don't deflect Jason. The chapter shows how you cross over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness, you refuse to read it. I know no matter what I write you must refuse to accept it, and I know why.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I don't think that is the reality of the situation. It is false propoganda, a fair tale, or a story that turns out differently in the end. Telling someone that there is no consequence to sin has led believers to commit suicide thinking they were saved and even to kill others (thinking they were saved).


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You said earlier you would answer any question of mine, thank you

If you actually thought(just pretend) God had removed the penalty of sin from your life, would that knowledge make you happily go out and sin as much as your flesh wanted to?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Don't deflect Jason. The chapter shows how you cross over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness, you refuse to read it. I know no matter what I write you must refuse to accept it, and I know why.

I refuse to read it because it would make me feel sick to my stomach in regards to the darkness that is being pushed by such a book.


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[stuart lawrence]

I refuse to read it because it would make me feel sick to my stomach in regards to the darkness that is being pushed by such a book.


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Really? so it would make you sick to your stomach to read of how a person crosses over from being a slave of sin to a person who is a slave of righteousness leading to holiness

 

[stuart lawrence]

Really? so it would make you sick to your stomach to read of how a person crosses over from being a slave of sin to a person who is a slave of righteousness leading to holiness

 

[stuart lawrence]

That is not good Jason

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You said earlier you would answer any question of mine, thank you

If you actually thought(just pretend) God had removed the penalty of sin from your life, would that knowledge make you happily go out and sin as much as your flesh wanted to?

Yes, maybe not happily, but it would make me feel like I would not have to live for God as much anymore. If such were true, I would just think about God on rare occasions and be okay with that (if there was absolutely nothing I did had no merit whatsoever in regards to my salvation). It would lead me into being more apathetic towards the things of God because nothing I really did would truly matter. I can declare I was saved and going to heaven no matter what. I got my ticket and I am good to go so now I can live my life now. There are many others who feel the same way, too. As I said before, some have committed suicide because of OSAS (because they do no think that what they do before God has anything to do with their salvation).


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[kingskid]

Good day ..l just tell people I'm a sinner turned saint by the sanctifying blood of Jesus Christ.

We will all throw our crowns at His feet in the end.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That is not good Jason

Yes, it is VERY good because your belief does not lead to holiness because you yourself have admitted that a believer cannot stop sinning and you have admitted that Galatians is saying we will be found as sinners.


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[stuart lawrence]

Yes, maybe not happily, but it would make me feel like I would not have to live for God as much anymore. If such were true, I would just think about God on rare occasions and be okay with that (if there was absolutely nothing I did had no merit whatsoever in regards to my salvation). It would lead me into being more apathetic towards the things of God because nothing I really did would truly matter. I can declare I was saved and going to heaven no matter what. I got my ticket and I am good to go so now I can live my life now. There are many others who feel the same way, too. As I said before, some have committed suicide because of OSAS.


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If the above is true, can you really love God with all your heart? I don't see how you can sadly.
Think of the person you love most in this world. If a government official told you they had the authority to remove the penalty for breaking the law concerning this person, in respect of if you killed them, or harmed them, would that make you apathetic towards obeying the law? No, because you loved them

If you truly loved God with all your heart Jason, the penalty for sin would be irrelevant to you, for you would want to obey God out of your great love for him.
God does not want people who only want to obey o0ut of fear of hell if they do not obey. You need to change Jason, and have true love for God in your heart. Love fulfils the law, but not for you. Only that penalty for sin brings you to want to obey

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Good day ..l just tell people I'm a sinner turned saint by the sanctifying blood of Jesus Christ.

We will all throw our crowns at His feet in the end.

What do you make of Matthew 13:41-42? It says,

"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire"

From my understanding "iniquity" would be "sin." And Christ is going to gather those in HIS Kingdom (by his angels) all who do iniquity or sin out of his kingdom and cast them into fire (i.e. hell). For...

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." (Revelation 22:14-15).


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[stuart lawrence]

Yes, maybe not happily, but it would make me feel like I would not have to live for God as much anymore. If such were true, I would just think about God on rare occasions and be okay with that (if there was absolutely nothing I did had no merit whatsoever in regards to my salvation). It would lead me into being more apathetic towards the things of God because nothing I really did would truly matter. I can declare I was saved and going to heaven no matter what. I got my ticket and I am good to go so now I can live my life now. There are many others who feel the same way, too. As I said before, some have committed suicide because of OSAS (because they do no think that what they do before God has anything to do with their salvation).


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Have you really been born again Jason? Only being born again means a person in their heart wants to live as God desires them to live. Yet you are saying, without the penalty for sin you would only think of God on rare occasions and be ok with that. That is awful Jason. There is no love at all in that. You need to learn of grace, that is the only way you will ever love God as he wants you to love him. I am sorry Jason, but from what you have written you cannot in your heart love God

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If the above is true, can you really love God with all your heart? I don't see how you can sadly.
Think of the person you love most in this world. If a government official told you they had the authority to remove the penalty for breaking the law concerning this person, in respect of if you killed them, or harmed them, would that make you apathetic towards obeying the law? No, because you loved them

If you truly loved God with all your heart Jason, the penalty for sin would be irrelevant to you, for you would want to obey God out of your great love for him.
God does not want people who only want to obey o0ut of fear of hell if they do not obey. You need to change Jason, and have true love for God in your heart. Love fulfils the law, but not for you. Only that penalty for sin brings you to want to obey

Well, I am born again spiritually and I am changed and I am not the man I used to be. I just know the reality of the situation of how real life works involving human behavior. Life teaches us that if you take away the consequences of something, then people are going to do whatever they please if they know there are no conseqences in doing that particular thing.


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[stuart lawrence]

Well, I am born again spiritually and I am changed and I am not the man I used to be. I just know the reality of the situation of how real life works involving human behavior. Life teaches us that if you take away the consequences of something, then people are going to do whatever they please if they know there are no conseqences in doing that particular thing.


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If such were true, I would just think about God on rare occasions and be okay with that

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Have you really been born again Jason? Only being born again means a person in their heart wants to live as God desires them to live. Yet you are saying, without the penalty for sin you would only think of God on rare occasions and be ok with that. That is awful Jason. There is no love at all in that. You need to learn of grace, that is the only way you will ever love God as he wants you to love him. I am sorry Jason, but from what you have written you cannot in your heart love God

Yes, I have been born again. And I am deeply afraid for those who believe as you do.


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[stuart lawrence]

Yes, maybe not happily, but it would make me feel like I would not have to live for God as much anymore. If such were true, I would just think about God on rare occasions and be okay with that (if there was absolutely nothing I did had no merit whatsoever in regards to my salvation). It would lead me into being more apathetic towards the things of God because nothing I really did would truly matter. I can declare I was saved and going to heaven no matter what. I got my ticket and I am good to go so now I can live my life now. There are many others who feel the same way, too. As I said before, some have committed suicide because of OSAS (because they do no think that what they do before God has anything to do with their salvation).

 

[stuart lawrence]

No truly born again person could possibly be apathetic towards God, or sin happily without conscience. It is not possible, and that is certainly true if they know the penalty of sin is removed from their life. If you have not been truly born again that may not be true, but if you have it is.