True Believers

[Colter]

Then why even bother trying to worship it, given it is impossible to know what it wants from you? Note: worship and belief are not the same

Myself, I seek Gods will as my guiding, sustaining spiritual Father in life. He has a purpose, a reason for his creation. God doesn't have compulsory worship requirements, in fact he doesn't compel me to do anything against my will. Worship is in the spontaneous expression of my gratitude.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Myself, I seek Gods will as my guiding, sustaining spiritual Father in life. He has a purpose, a reason for his creation. God doesn't have compulsory worship requirements, in fact he doesn't compel me to do anything against my will. Worship is in the spontaneous expression of my gratitude.

But what if you misinterpreted this "impossible to fully understand" deity and you are unknowingly offending it with every action worse than a person who doesn't believe it exists?

 

[Freodin]

He would know if he did. Yes, definitly, he just would know.

 

[Davian]

Myself, I seek Gods will as my guiding, sustaining spiritual Father in life. He has a purpose, a reason for his creation.

In a nutshell, what is this alleged "purpose"?

God doesn't have compulsory worship requirements, in fact he doesn't compel me to do anything against my will. Worship is in the spontaneous expression of my gratitude.

Is there not a common theme of worship-or-burn-forever in most bible-based religions? Or are you re-writing those bits as you see fit?

 

[Eudaimonist]

How do you know that you're not omniscient?

That sure would have helped in life!


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[bhsmte]

How do you know that you're not omniscient?

If I was, I would be spending a lot of time in Vegas.

 

[PsychoSarah]

How do you know that you're not omniscient?

Because by definition an omniscient being would know everything, and thus know it was omniscient

 

[quatona]

He would know if he did. Yes, definitly, he just would know.

I agree. If there´s anyone who´d know it it would be Colter, that´s for sure.

 

[Colter]

But what if you misinterpreted this "impossible to fully understand" deity and you are unknowingly offending it with every action worse than a person who doesn't believe it exists?

God is a loving Father, it's the language of your heart that he hears. We don't offend deity with the imperfect steps of our childhood. His patience and tenderness is inexplicable. God is our friend not some aloof task master. He needs us as much as we need him.

 

[Colter]

"In the physical universe we may see the divine beauty, in the intellectual world we may discern eternal truth, but the goodness of God is found only in the spiritual world of personal religious experience. In its true essence, religion is a faith-trust in the goodness of God. God could be great and absolute, somehow even intelligent and personal, in philosophy, but in religion God must also be moral; he must be good. Man might fear a great God, but he trusts and loves only a good God. This goodness of God is a part of the personality of God, and its full revelation appears only in the personal religious experience of the believing sons of God." UB
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[Archaeopteryx]

God is a loving Father, it's the language of your heart that he hears. We don't offend deity with the imperfect steps of our childhood. His patience and tenderness is inexplicable. God is our friend not some aloof task master. He needs us as much as we need him.

Why does he need us? What does he need from us?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Why does he need us? What does he need from us?

Why would an eternal omni-everything being need anything? Can this eternal being die from a lack of human worship or love?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Freodin]

How can you need something - even feel the need for something - that didn't exist before you brought it into existence?

 

[Colter]

Why would an eternal omni-everything being need anything? Can this eternal being die from a lack of human worship or love?


eudaimonia,

Mark

The Urantia revelation provides a sizable amount of foundational philosophical background material in answer to the question of "why" the I AM and divine subordinates would need his created finite creatures to participate in his plan of self realization, but to vastly simplify it, by doing the Fathers will we are contributing to the experiential eventuation of God The Supreme in time and space.

 

[Colter]

How can you need something - even feel the need for something - that didn't exist before you brought it into existence?

Consider the totality of your living experience and how you draw upon it in the present.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The Urantia revelation provides a sizable amount of foundational philosophical background material in answer to the question of "why" the I AM and divine subordinates would need his created finite creatures to participate in his plan of self realization, but to vastly simplify it, by doing the Fathers will we are contributing to the experiential eventuation of God The Supreme in time and space.

So we are creating God? That's why God needs us?

 

[Golden Yak]

So we are creating God? That's why God needs us?

How could he be God without someone to be God to? (or at, or for, or of, whatever the verb of 'Godding' entails.)

 

[Colter]

How could he be God without someone to be God to? (or at, or for, or of, whatever the verb of 'Godding' entails.)

This link to the UB covers some of the philosophical explanation for the Supreme.

Paper 115 - The Supreme Being | Urantia Book | Urantia Foundation

 

[Freodin]

Consider the totality of your living experience and how you draw upon it in the present.

In the totality of my living experience, I never needed anything that didn't exist before I brought it into existence.

 

[Davian]

This link to the UB covers some of the philosophical explanation for the Supreme.

Paper 115 - The Supreme Being | Urantia Book | Urantia Foundation

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