Trivia Thread

[Ann M]

Nope can't see another Psalm 50 for Holy week....

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Holy Thursday[6]
Violet
260:Is61:1-3a,6a,8b-9
Ps89:21-22,25,27
Rv1:5-8
Lk4:16-21
EVENING
White
39:Ex12:1-8,11-14
Ps116:12013,15-16bc,17-18
1Cor11:23-26
Jn13:1-15 25
GOOD FRIDAY OF THE LORD'S PASSION
Red
40:Is52:13-53:12
Ps31:2-6,12-13,15-17,25
Heb4:14-16;5:7-9
Jn18:1-19:42 26
HOLY SATURDAY NIGHT: THE EASTER VIGIL
White
41/42: (1)Gn1:1-2:2 or 1:1,26-31a
Ps104:1-2a,5-6,10,12-14,24,35c or Ps33:4-7,12-13,20,22
(2)Gn22:1-18 or 22:1-2,9a,10-13,15-18
Ps16:5,8-11
(3)Ex14:15-15:1
(Ps)Ex15:1-6,17-18
(4) Is54:5-14
Ps30:2,4-6,11-12a,13b
(5)Is55:1-11
(Ps)Is12:2-3,4bcd,5-6
(6)Bar3:9-15,32-4:4
Ps19:8-11
(7)Ez36:16-17a,18-28
Pss42:3,5bcd;43:3-4 or, when baptism is celebrated, (Ps)Is12:2-3,4bcd,5-6 or Ps51:12-15,18-19
(8)Rom6:3-11
Ps118:1-2,16ab-17,22-23
(9)Mk16:1-7

 

[Paul S]

It is said just before the oratio, or prayer, in all the Canonical Hours in the triduum of Holy Week, except the Vespers and Compline of Holy Saturday. As it is also the fourth in order of the seven penitential psalms (q.v.), its times of recitation will be governed by the appropriate rubric in the Breviary.

Wow... the things New Advent has in it.

I had no idea that was there. Good find.

So we are looking at Matins, Lauds, Terce, Sext, None, Vespers and Compline?

You're missing an Hour. However, since Matins and Lauds are always combined, except for one day a year (which you might as well look for, because I just decided that's the next question ) your total remains correct.

So we're up to 19 and trying to work out the penitential psalms bit

The Seven Penitential Psalms are not part of the Office, although they are found in the back of the Breviary.

Note, too, that I said "Holy Week", not "the Triduum".

It looks like the New Advent article is describing the pre-1911 rubrics, but for this question, there doesn't seem to be any differences.

You're also missing some other times when it's said during the Triduum.

 

[Ann M]

Was I missing Vigil? Because you've already taught me that prime no longer exists

 

[Ann M]

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Mon


Monday of Holy Week
Privileged Feria, Simple

Commemoration of St Benedict, C

Kneeling Day
Fast Day

Lauds 2
Proper Antiphons
Monday Psalms
Ant on Bened proper
Ferial Preces
Proper Collect
Commemoration of St Benedict, C

Prime
Proper Antiphon
Monday Psalms, with the 4th Psalm as in the Psalter
Ferial Preces

Terce, Sext, None
Proper Antiphons
Monday Psalms
Ferial Preces

Vespers
Ferial Vespers
Ant on Mag proper
Ferial Preces
Proper Collect
Commemoration of St Benedict, C

Compline
Ferial Preces




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Tue


Tuesday in Holy Week
Privileged Feria, Simple

Kneeling Day
Fast Day

Lauds 2
Proper Antiphons
Tuesday Psalms
Ant on Bened proper
Ferial Preces
Proper Collect

Prime
Proper Antiphon
Tuesday Psalms, with the 4th Psalm as in the Psalter
Ferial Preces

Terce, Sext, None
Proper Antiphons
Tuesday Psalms
Ferial Preces

Vespers
Ferial Vespers
Ant on Mag proper
Ferial Preces
Proper Collect

Compline
Ferial Preces




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Wed


Wednesday in Holy Week
Privileged Feria, Simple

Kneeling Day
Fast Day

Lauds 2
Proper Antiphons
Wednesday Psalms
Ant on Bened proper
Ferial Preces
Proper Collect

Prime
Proper Antiphon
Wednesday Psalms, with the 4th Psalm as in the Psalter
Ferial Preces
Martyrology : Announcement of Maundy Thursday from table of movable feasts

Terce, Sext, None
Proper Antiphons
Wednesday Psalms
Ferial Preces

Vespers
Ferial Vespers
Ant on Mag proper
Ferial Preces
Proper Collect

Compline
Ferial Preces

In Choir after Compline are sung Matins and Lauds of Tenebrae, the which are sung also on the two following days.

THE SACRED TRIDUUM

On the following three days, the Triple (or Dual) Prayer having been said, the Office begins immediately as follows: (a) Matins, Lauds, and Vespers begin with the Antiphon for the first Psalm; (b) The Little Hours begin with the Psalms; (c) Compline begins with the Confiteor (without the Pater noster). All the Hours conclude by kneeling and saying the Antiphon Christus factus est, Pater, the Psalm Miserére, and Collect Réspice. Nothing else is added.




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Thu


Maundy Thursday
Double of I Class

Kneeling Day
Fast Day

Office Proper

Lauds 2
Proper Antiphons
Thursday Psalms

In Choir, the Little Hours are said without chant, but candles of common wax are lit

Prime
The 4th Psalm is not said

Vespers
Proper Vespers
Candles of common wax are lit

After Vespers, the Altar is stripped, and the Antiphon Divisérunt and Psalm Deus, Deus meus are said.

Compline
Proper Compline
Candles are extinguished

Note : Nothing is said this year of the Office of St Gabriel Archangel




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Fri


Good Friday
Double of I Class

Kneeling Day
Fast and Abstinence

Office Proper

Lauds 2
Proper Antiphons
Friday Psalms

In Choir, the Little Hours are said without chant, and with the candles (of common wax) extinguished

Vespers
Proper Vespers
Without chant
Candles are lit
Ant on Magn. proper

Note : After the Adoration of the Cross, a genuflection is made on one knee whenever passing in front of the Cross, until None of Holy Saturday inclusive.

Compline
Proper Compline
Candles are extinguished




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Sat


Holy Saturday
Double of I Class

Fast and Abstinence until Midday

Office Proper

Lauds 2
Proper Antiphons
Saturday Psalms
Canticle Ego dixi (from Lauds 2 of Tuesday) is said instead of Audíte Cæli

In Choir, the Little Hours are said as yesterday

Vespers

At the Easter Vigil:
Vespers is sung after Communion at the Easter Vigil Mass
The Altar is incensed at the Magníficat Ite Missa est is sung by the Deacon; 2 Alleluias are added, and also the Response

In Private Recitation:
After the Dual Prayer Vespers begins immediately with the Antiphon Allelúja
Instead of Ite Missa est is said Benedicámus Dómino with the 2 additional Alleluias after this and its Response (which is also said at the end of Lauds and Vespers until Saturday in Easter Week)

Compline
Proper Compline
From the end of Compline is said the Marian Antiphon Regína Cæli, which is said standing throughout the whole of Eastertide



Nope this one ain't helping either......

 

[Ann M]

You're missing an Hour. However, since Matins and Lauds are always combined, except for one day a year (which you might as well look for, because I just decided that's the next question ) your total remains correct.

Christmas Day!!

 

[Paul S]

Was I missing Vigil? Because you've already taught me that prime no longer exists

Since when I said "Office" in the original question, I meant the pre-Vatican II Office, Prime's still there. For those who use the old Breviary, such as the FSSP, they still say Prime.

In the new Liturgia Horarum, Prime's gone, and what was formerly called Matins is now the Office of Readings.

"Vigil" is an older term for Matins, or for one of the nocturns.

 

[Ann M]

Monday - Holy week - Lauds 2 - Psalm 50
Wednesday (Spy Wednesday) - Holy week - Lauds 2 - Psalm 50

 

[Paul S]

Christmas Day!!

Correct.

Following Matins on Christmas Day, the first Mass at Midnight is said, then Lauds, the second Mass at Dawn, Prime, the third Mass during the Day, and then Terce. Sext, None, Vespers, and Compline are said as usual.

This is the only day when Matins and Lauds may be separated in choir, although in private recitation, they may be at any time, or the three nocturns may also be separated.

I sometimes anticipate the first and second nocturn, and say the third nocturn and Lauds together after midnight or when I wake up.

 

[Paul S]

Monday - Holy week - Lauds 2 - Psalm 50
Wednesday (Spy Wednesday) - Holy week - Lauds 2 - Psalm 50

Getting closer.

 

[Ann M]

Getting closer.

How close?

 

[Paul S]

How close?

Two Misereres closer.

 

[Ann M]

........... ..... 21 out of?

 

[Paul S]

........... ..... 21 out of?

If I told you that, I'd give away the answer!

Take another look at the New Advent article and see when the Miserere is said.

 

[Ann M]

It is the psalm chosen for the preces feriales at Vespers for all the weekdays in Lent with the exception of the triduum of Holy Week, for those in Advent, for the ember-days except those of the Pentecostal season, and for all vigils, except those of Christmas, Epiphany, the Ascension, and Pentecost. In addition it is said just before the oratio, or prayer, in all the Canonical Hours in the triduum of Holy Week, except the Vespers and Compline of Holy Saturday. As it is also the fourth in order of the seven penitential psalms (q.v.), its times of recitation will be governed by the appropriate rubric in the Breviary. It (or, as alternative, Ps. cxvi, "Laudate . . . omnes") is said daily in the prayers after dinner (post prandium), except on days when only one meal is taken (in which case the prayers are those styled post caenam, "after supper") and also except the times from Christmas to the Octave of the Epiphany, from Holy Saturday until Low Sunday exclusively, and from Ascension Thursday to the Octave of Pentecost exclusively. It is very prominent in the ceremony of the Asperges, during which the choir sings the antiphon "Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo", etc. (i.e. Ps. 1, verse 8; Vulg., 9), then the verse "Miserere mei, Deus", etc. (i.e. Ps. 1, 1; Vulg., 3), then the Gloria Patri, and finally the antiphon "Asperges me", the celebrant meanwhile reciting, either alone or alternately with the sacred ministers, the entire Miserere. On Passion and Palm Sundays the Gloria Patri is omitted, and during Paschal Time the antiphon and psalm are "Vidi aquam" and "Confitemini" (Ps. cxvii) respectively.

Hmmmm... we had nineteen between Maundy Thursday, Good Friday and Holy Saturday, then we added two more for Lauds on Holy Monday and Spy Wednesday, and if I read the above correctly, I need to add another 3 for Vespers on Holy Monday, Holy Tuesday and Spy Wednesday? Bringing up a total of 24?

 

[Paul S]

Hmmmm... we had nineteen between Maundy Thursday, Good Friday and Holy Saturday, then we added two more for Lauds on Holy Monday and Spy Wednesday, and if I read the above correctly, I need to add another 3 for Vespers on Holy Monday, Holy Tuesday and Spy Wednesday? Bringing up a total of 24?

Psalm 50 is never said at Vespers, other than twice during the Triduum.

You're right about Lauds on Monday and Wednesday. Keep going with that.

You did find the Ordo, so look at which psalms are said. And you missed a bit from New Advent just before what you just posted.

 

[Ann M]

The Miserere has a most prominent place in the Divine Office and in various ceremonies. It is the first psalm at Lauds in all the ferial (week-day) Offices throughout the year, outside of Paschal Time, and in the Sunday Offices from Septuagesima to Palm Sunday inclusive

????

 

[Ann M]

Psalm 50 is never said at Vespers, other than twice during the Triduum.

So what did that 1st line I copied before mean?

 

[Ann M]

Lauds on Holy Tuesday - Grand total of 22?

 

[Paul S]

So what did that 1st line I copied before mean?

It means that the Breviary was revised in 1911, and the ferial preces no longer contain psalms (although many of the prayers are verses from psalms).

Lauds on Holy Tuesday is also correct, along with Lauds on Holy Monday and Spy Wednesday.

Take another look at the Ordo for this week and see what's at Lauds.

 

[Ann M]

Okay, my head is starting to hurt again, so let's do a recap....

Holy Monday - Lauds
Holy Tuesday - Lauds
Spy Wednesday - Lauds
Maundy Thursday - Matins/Lauds, Prime, Terce, Sext, None, Vespers, Compline
Good Friday - Matins/Lauds, Prime, Terce, Sext, None, Vespers, Compline
Holy Saturday -Matins/Lauds, Prime, Terce, Sext, None.

Okay we have 22 here, so am I still missing some more?