Trivia Thread

[ProCommunioneFacior]

And relating to St. Anastasia, what is a commemoration and how is it done, in both the Mass and Office?

I'm looking for the answer and can't find it, and I need to go to bed. So I'll check in tomorrow and see if it's answered yet, if not I'll try to answer it tomorrow.

Good night.

 

[Paul S]

Nobody's answered this one yet, so it's still waiting, proud.

The next one's going to be quite a bit harder.

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

From what I can gather, a commemoration occurs when two Offices fall on the same day and one of them cannot be transferred to another day. I'm guessing this is what occurs since St. Anastasia is on the same day as Christmas.

A commemoration takes place at Mass by reciting the collect, Secret, and Post-Communion proper to the feast day being commemorated.

A commemoration takes place in the Office during Lauds and Vespers, during these hours you would recite the antiphons, with their versicles and responses, of the Benedictus and Magnificat respectively, adding in each case an oremus with the oration proper. (whatever that means).

 

[Paul S]

Correct. Except on Sundays, a commemoration also includes the last lesson at Matins being of the commemorated feast or feria. For example, next week on March 17, Lessons 1 through 8 are of St. Patrick, and Lesson 9 is from Thursday in Passion Week.

"Oremus" is Latin for Let us pray, and the oratio is usually called the Collect in English.

Here's how it would work at Lauds tomorrow:

[The Hymn O sol salutis is sung]
V. Angelis suis Deus mandávit de te.
R. Ut custódiant te in ómnibus viis tuis.

Ad Bened. Ant: Cum sublevasset óculos.
[The Benedictus, Luke 1:68-79, is chanted.]
Ad Bened. Ant:Cum sublevasset óculos * Jesus, et vidisset maximam multitúdinem venientem ad se, dixit ad Philippum : Unde emémus panes, ut manducent hi? Hoc autem dicebat tentans eum : ipse enim sciebat quid esset facturus.

V. Dominus vobiscum.
R. Et cum spiritu tuo.
Oremus.
Concede, quæsumus, omnípotens Deus : ut, qui ex mérito nostræ actiónis affligimur, tuæ gratiæ consolatióne respiremus. Per Dóminum...
R. Amen.
Then is made a commemoration of Ss. Perpetua & Felicity:
Ad Bened. Ant: Istárum est enim * regnum cælórum, qui contempsérunt vitam mundi, et pervenérunt ad præmia regni, et lavérunt stolas suas in sánguine Agni.
V. Glória et honóre coronásti eas, Dómine.
R. Et constituísti eas super ópera mánuum tuarum.
Oremus.
Da nobis, quæsumus, Dómine, Deus noster, sanctárum Mártyrum tuárum Perpetuæ et Felicitátis palmas incessabili devotióne venerari : ut, quas digna mente non possumus celebrare ; humilibus saltem frequentémus obsequiis. Per Dóminum nostrum...
R. Amen.

[The Hymn O sol salutis is sung.]
V. God shall give his Angels charge over thee.
R. To keep thee in all thy ways.

Ant. on Benedictus: When Jesus lifted up his eyes.
[The Benedictus is chanted.]
Ant. on Benedictus: When Jesus lifted up his eyes, * and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip: Whence shall we buy bread that these may eat? And this he said to prove him ; for he himself knew what he would do.

V. The Lord be with you.
R. And with thy spirit.
Let us pray.
Grant, we beseech thee, Almighty God : that we, who for our evil deeds do worthily deserve to be punished, by the comfort of thy grace may mercifully be relieved. Through our Lord...
R. Amen.
Ant. on Benedictus: For theirs is * the kingdom of heaven, who have despised earthly pleasure, and have come to the reward of the kingdom, and have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb.
V. Thou hast crowned them with glory and worship, O Lord.
R. And hast made them to have dominion of the works of thy hands.
Let us pray.
Grant unto us, we beseech thee, O Lord our God, to reverence with unceasing devotion the glory of thy holy Martyrs Perpetua and Felicity; and though it be not ours worthily to honour their triumph, to perservere in offering them the humble tribute of our duty. Through our Lord...
R. Amen.

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

Cool, thanks.

 

[Paul S]

Here's a more practical question.

Today is Sunday, December 8. Your parish was dedicated on this day many years ago. Assuming there is only one Mass per day, what Masses are said today and tomorrow (including commemorations, if any), according to the pre-1962, the 1962, and the 1970 calendars? And name the colour of the vestments on each day.

I told you this one's going to be tougher.

 

[Ann M]

December 8 (Immaculate Conception) is always a Holy Day of Obligation, except in years when December 8 falls on Sunday and the solemnity is observed on December 9.

Vestments should be white for December 8 or violet for Advent.

December 8
The Immaculate Conception of the B. V. Mary1
White

1st Class

"I will put enmities between thee and the woman." In these words the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary was announced to our first parents. It was to be the reversal of the friendship with the serpent contracted by Eve, when she listened to his voice and fell under his power. The second Eve was never to be under the power of the devil; the enmity between them was to admit of no possible exception. This involved the grace of being conceived immaculate. Mary's Immaculate Conception was the foundation of all her graces. The absence of any stain of spot of sin distinguished her from all the rest of mankind. It distinguished her from the holiest of the Saints, since they, one and all, were sinners. Her perfect sinlessness was the sounce of all her glory and all her majesty; it was this which opened the door to the unlimited graces that she received from God; it wsas this that qualified her for her divine maternity, and raised her to her throne as Queen of heaven. "O Queen, conceived without original sin, pray for us, who have recourse to thee."2

INTROIT ¤ Isaias 61. 10
Gaudens gaudebo in Domino, et exsultabit anima mea in Deo meo: quia induit me vestimentis salutis: et indumento iustitiae circumdedit me, quasi sponsam ornatam monilibus suis. -- Exaltabo te, Domine, quoniam suscepisti me: nec delectasi inimicos meos super me. V.: Gloria Patri . . . -- Gaudens gaudebo in Domino . . . I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, and my soul shall be joyful in my God: for He hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, and with the robe of justice He hath covered me, as a bride adorned with her jewels. -- (Ps. 29. 2). I will extol Thee, O Lord, for Thou hast upheld me: and hast not made my enemies to rejoice over me. V.: Glory to the Father . . . -- I will . . .

COLLECT3
Deus, qui per Immaculatam Virginis Conceptionem dignum Filio tuo habitaculum praeparasti: quaesumus; ut qui ex morte eiusdem Filii tui praevisa, eam ab omni labe praeservasti, nos quoque mundos eius intercessione ad te pervenire concedas. Per eumdem Dominum . . . O God, who by the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin didst prepare a worthy dwelling-place for Thy Son: we beseech Thee, that as by the foreseen death of the same Thy Son, Thou didst preserve her from all stain, so Thou wouldst grant unto us also, through her intercession, to come unto Thee with clean hearts. Through the same Jesus Christ Our Lord, Thy Son, Who liveth and reigneth with Thee in the unity of the Holy Ghost . . .

EPISTLE ¤ Wisdom: Proverbs 8. 23-35
Lesson from the Book of Wisdom: Proverbs. Lectio libri Sapientiae.
[The excellence of Wisdom. The Church applies this lesson to Our Lady.]
Dominus possedit me in initio viarum suarum, antequam quidquam faceret a principio. Ab aeterno ordinata sum, et ex antiquis, antequam terra fieret. Nondum erant abyssi et ego iam concepta eram: necdum fontes auarum eruperant: necdum montes gravi mole constiterant: ante colles ego parturiebar: adhuc terram non fecerat, et flumina, et cardines orbis terrae. Quando praeparabat caelos, aderam: quando certa lege et gyro vallabat abyssos: quando aethera firmabat sursum, et librabat fontes aquarum: quando circumdabat mari terminum suum, et legem ponebat aquis, ne transirent fines sus; quando appendebat fundamenta terrae. Cum eo eram cuncta componens: et delectabar per singulos dies, ludens coram eo omni tempore, ludens in orbe terrarum, et deliciae meae esse cum filiis hominum. Nunc ergo filii, audite me: Beati qui custodiunt vias meas. Audite disciplinam, et estote sapientes, et nolite abiicere eam. Beatus homo qui audit me, et qui vigilat ad fores meas quotidie, et observat ad postes ostii mei. Qui me invenerit, inveniet vitam, et hauriet salutem a Domino. The Lord possessed me in the beginning of His ways, before He made anything, from the beginning. I was set up from eternity, and of old, before the earth was made. The depths were not as yet, and I was already conceived; neither had the fountains of waters as yet sprung out; the mountains with their huge bulk had not as yet been established: before the hills I was brought forth; He had not yet made the earth, nor the rivers, nor the poles of the world. When He prepared the heavens, I was there; when with a certain law and compass He enclosed the depths; when He established the sky above, and poised the fountains of waters; when He compassed the sea with its bounds, and set a law to the waters that they should not pass their limits; when He balanced the foundations of the earth; I was with Him, forming all things, and was delighted every day, playing before Him at all times, playing in the world: and my delight is to be with the children of men. Now therefore, ye children, hear me: blessed are they that keep my ways. Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. Blessed is the man that heareth me, and that watcheth daily at my gates, and waiteth at the posts of my doors. He that shall find me, shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord.

GRADUAL ¤ Judith 13. 23
Benedicta es tu, Virgo Maria, a Domino Deo excelso, prae omnibus mulieribus super terram. V.: Tu gloria Ierusalem, tu laetitia Israel, tu honorificentia populi nostri.
Alleluia, alleluia. V.: Tota pulchra es, Maria: et macula originalis non est in te. Alleluia. Blessed art thou, O Virgin Mary, by the Lord the most high God, above all women upon the earth.4 V.: Thou art the glory of Jerusalem, thou art the joy of Israel, thou art the honor of our people.
Alleluia, alleluia. V.: (Canticles 4. 7) Thou art all fair, O Mary, and there is in thee no stain of original sin.

In Votive Masses, after Septuagesima, the Alleluia and the Verse Tota pulchra . . . are omitted and the following is said:
TRACT ¤ Ps. 86. 1
Fundamenta eius in montibus sanctis: diligit Dominus portas Sion super omnia tabernacula Iacob. V.: Gloriosa dicta sunt de te, civitas Dei. V.: Homo natus est in ea, et ipse funda vit eam Altissimus. The foundations thereof are in the holy mountains: the Lord loveth the gates of Sion above all the tabernacles of Jacob. V.: Glorious things are said of thee, O city of God. V.: A man is born in her, and the Highest Himself hath founded her.

During Eastertide, the Gradual is omitted and the following Alleluia is said:
Alleluia, alleluia. V.: Tu gloria Ierusalem, tu laetitia Israel, tu honorificentia populi nostri. Alleluia. Tota pulchra es Maria: et macula originalis non est in te. Alleluia. Alleluia, alleluia. V.(Judith 15. 10) Thou art the glory of Jerusalem, thou art the joy of Irael, thou art the honor of our people. Alleluia. V.(Canticles 4. 7) Thou art all fair, O Mary, and there is in thee no stain of original sin. Alleluia.

GOSPEL ¤ Luke 1. 26-28.
† Continuation of the holy Gospel according to St. Luke.
† Sequentia sancti Evangelii secundum Lucam.
[The Angelical Salutation. Our Lady is "full of grace."]
In illo tempore: Missus est Angelus Gabriel a Deo in civitatem Galilaeae, cui nomen Nazareth, ad Virginem desponsatam viro, cui nomen erat Ioseph, de domo David, et nomen Virginis Maria. Et ingressus Angelus ad eam dixit: Ave, gratia plena: Dominus tecum: benedicta tu in mulieribus. At that time: The Angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David: and the virgin's name was Mary. And the Angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women.

OFFERTORY ¤ Luke 1. 28
Ave, Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum: benedicta tu in mulieribus. [T. P. Alleluia.] Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women. [P. T. Alleluia.]

SECRET
Salutarem hostiam, quam in solemnitate Immaculatae Conceptionis beatae Virginis Mariae tibi Domine offerimus, suscipe et praesta: ut sicut illam, tua gratia praeveniente, ab omni labe immunem profitemur; ita eius intercessione a culpis omnibus liberemur. Per Dominum . . . Receive the saving Victim we offer to Thee, O Lord, on the solemn feast of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary: and grant that, as we confess that by Thy preventing grace she was kept free from every stain of sin; so, by her intercession, we may be delivered from all our offenses. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, Thy Son, who liveth and reigneth with Thee in the unity of the Holy Ghost . . .

PREFACE
Preface of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Vere dignum et iustum est, aequum et salutare, nos tibi semper, et ubique gratias agere: Domine sancte, Pater omnipotens, aeterne Deus. Et te in Conceptione Immaculata beatae Mariae semper Virginis collaudare, benedicere, et praedicare. Quae et Unigenitum tuum Sancti Spiritus obumbratione concepit: et virginitatis gloria permanente, lumen aeternum mundo effudit, Iesum Christum Dominum nostrum. Per quem maiestatem tuam laudant Angeli, adorant Dominationes, tremunt Potestates. Coeli, coelorumque Virtutes, ac beata Seraphim, socia exsultatione concelebrant. Cum quibus et nostras voces, ut admitti iubeas deprecamur, supplici confessione dicentes: It it truly meet and just, right and for our salvation, that we should at all times, and in all places, give thanks unto Thee, O holy Lord, Father almighty, everlasting God: and that we should praise and bless, and proclaim Thee, in the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Mary, ever-Virgin: Who also conceived Thine only-begotten Son by the overshadowing of the Holy Ghost, and the glory of her virginity still abiding, gave forth to the world the everlasting Light, Jesus Christ our Lord. Through whom the Angels praise Thy Majesty, the Dominations worship it, and the Powers stand in awe. The Heavens and the heavenly hosts together with the blessed Seraphim in triumphant chorus unite to celebrate it. Together with these we entreat Thee that Thou mayest bid our voices also to be admitted while we say with lowly praise:

COMMUNION
Gloriosa dicta sunt de te, Maria: quia fecit tibi magna qui potens est. [T. P. Alleluia.] Glorious things are told of thee, O Mary, for He who is mighty has done great things unto thee. [P. T. Alleluia.]

POSTCOMMUNION
Sacramenta quae sumpsimus, Domine Deus noster, illius in nobis culpae vulnera reparent; a qua Immaculatam beatae Mariae Conceptionem singulariter praeservasti. Per Dominum . . . May the Sacraments which we have received, O Lord, our God, heal in us the wounds of that sin, from which Thou didst alone preserve the Immaculate Conception of Blessed Mary. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, Thy Son, who liveth and reigneth with Thee in the unity of the Holy Ghost . . .


1 The faithful who on twelve consecutive Sundays preceding the Feast of the Immaculate Conception shall utter some mental or vocal prayers in honor of the Blessed Virgin Mary, can gain a plenary indulgence on each of these Saturdays, under the usual conditions. -- P.P.O. n. 334.

2 Indulgence of 300 days. -- Plenary, under the usual conditions, when this invocation is recited daily during a month. -- P.P.O. n. 325.

3 Indulgence of 3 years. -- Plenary, under the usual conditions, if this prayer is daily recited. -- P.P.O. n. 340.

4 Indulgence of 300 days, each time this [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is recited. -- Plenary, under the usual circumstances, once a month, which this same [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is daily recited. -- P.P.O. n. 287.

 

[Ann M]

Mass to be Used in the Celebration of the Anniversary of the Dedication of a Church
The prayer texts and readings for the celebration of the Anniversary of the Dedication of a Church should be taken from the Common of the Dedication of a Church in the Sacramentary and Lectionary. Since the celebration is a solemnity, there should be two pre-Gospel readings and the Gloria and Creed should be sung or recited.

Vestments are Violet for Advent.

Local

Every parish should celebrate as a Solemnity its patronal feast (who it is dedicated to) and the Anniversary of its Dedication.

Parishes dedicated to Our Lady, where the title is not in the Calendar, celebrate the patronal feast on August 15 or on another Marian feast which fits in better with the particular title,

The Anniversary is celebrated on:

* the anniversary of the date of dedication.
* the nearest Sunday to the dedication where that Sunday either falls in Christmas or Ordinary Time (i.e. not Advent, Lent or Easter).
* where the date is unknown on the Sunday before the Solemnity of All Saints (November 1).

December 8 1962 is a Saturday.

December 8 1970 is a Tuesday.

 

[Ann M]

The anniversary of the consecration is kept solemnly as a double of the first class with an octave each recurring year, until the church falls into ruin or is profaned. In order to avoid the inconveniences likely to arise from its clashing with other solemnities, the bishop is empowered to appoint, in the act of consecration, another day for the anniversary, provided such day be not a double feast of the first or second class in the Universal Church, a privileged Sunday, or a local feast of the first class (Cong. Sac. Rit., 4 Feb., 1896), or a day of Advent or Lent (Cong. Sac. Rit., 12 June, 1660). Should the bishop fail to do so, or defer making such arrangement, the anniversary must be kept on the recurring actual day, or recourse must be had to the Apostolic See (Gardellini, Adnot. super Decr. dat. 6 Sept., 1834).

Common of the Dedication of a Church

To Today's Page.

An appropriate reading for the day is chosen from each of the four lists below. Readings marked with a (for ...) are particularly appropriate when that subcategory is specifically listed for the day.

First Reading:

1. Genesis 28:11-18
2. First Kings 8:22-23, 27-30
3. Second Chronicles 5:6-10, 13-6:2
4. First Maccabees 4:52-59 (for the consecration of an altar)
5. Isaiah 56:1, 6-7
6. Ezekiel 43:1-2, 4-7


Responsorial Psalm:

1. First Chronicles 29:10, 11, 11-12, 12
2. Psalms 84:3, 4, 5-6, 8, 11
3. Psalms 95:1-2, 3-5, 6-7
4. Psalms 127:1-2, 3-4, 4-5, 8-9


Second Reading:

1. first Corinthians 3:9-13, 16-17
2. Ephesians 2:19-22
3. Hebrews 12:18-19, 22-24
4. First Peter 2:4-9


Gospel:

1. Matthew 5:23-24
2. Luke 19:1-10
3. John 2:13-22
4. John 4:19-24

 

[Ann M]

Ahhh..... lots of information, lots of confusion!!!

 

[Paul S]

So which Masses are said on which days?

And when I say the 1962 or 1970 calendar, that doesn't necessarily mean those years (since I specified December 8 is a Sunday), but the liturgical calendar approved for use along with the Missal in those years. The 1962 Missal is the one used at the indult Mass; the 1970 calendar is the new Mass.

Don't forget commemorations.

 

[Irish Melkite]

Side altars exist because a priest could formerly only say one Mass per altar per day. If a parish had three priests, only one could use the high altar, so the other two would say their Masses silently at the side altars while the third priest said Mass for the people at the high altar.

Paul,

Sorry, but you're wrong on this one. There originally was only a single altar and, as someone suggested, it was used by the bishop, who was assisted by other priests. Mass was served by other priests in nearby chapels called oratories.

By the fourth century, more altars were added so that priests could offer private Masses (those requested for various reasons or those offered when there was no congregation) because there was no need for all of the priests to offer public Masses on a weekday in the typical church.

You were correct as far as a priest being able to only serve a single Mass in a day (except on Christmas and All Souls Day, on which 3 could be said - more than a single Mass on any other occasion required special faculties from the bishop), but there was no restriction ever in place as to the number of times that Mass could be served at a single altar. Pre-Vatican II, in large urban parishes, there would be a half-dozen or more priests assigned to a parish and Sunday Masses commenced around 6am - with frequently 1 per hour - almost every one of which was served at the main or high altar.

On weekdays, when there might only be 1 or 2 public Masses, the other priests would use the side altars for their private service of the Mass.

Paul,

I have to revise what I told you above. Something just jumped out at me the other day - the Maronites (and possibly also the Syriacs) once held to a rule of one altar, one Liturgy, per day.

Many years,

Neil

 

[Paul S]

Paul,

I have to revise what I told you above. Something just jumped out at me the other day - the Maronites (and possibly also the Syriacs) once held to a rule of one altar, one Liturgy, per day.

Thanks for the information.

I still sort of remember reading that about the Roman rite, but I could be thinking of one Mass per priest per day.


Ann (or anyone else), have you figured out which Masses are on which days? I told you this one was a bit tougher.

 

[Ann M]

Ann's browser got infected 2 days ago when she was researching your question and she's been going nuts ever since trying to uninfect it!!

Thanks to the wonderful help on people here I am no longer looking at weird and wonderful images on here ........ Just think of the screams you would have heard if all the other denominations had found themselves with a picture of an amice in the CF banner and worked out what it was!! We would have been accused of really trying to highjack CF

 

[Ann M]

Okay.....

The Feast of the Immaculate Conception is a 1st Class Feast.

The Anniversary of the Dedication of the Church is a Double 1st Class Feast.

December 8 is the 2nd Sunday in Advent.

Question Are all ordinary Sundays to be treated as Solemnities? We had this problem when some of our churches celebrated the dedication of the Lateran Basilica this year, overriding the Sunday celebration. Is this correct?

Answer According to the table of precedence in the General Norms for the Liturgical Year and Calendar, a Solemnity of the dedication of a particular church and the anniversary take precedence over Sundays in Ordinary Time.

The entire table of precedence is listed below.

I

1. Easter triduum of the Lord's passion and resurrection.

2. Christmas, Epiphany, Ascension, and Pentecost.
Sundays of Advent, Lent, and the Easter season.
Ash Wednesday.
Weekdays of Holy Week from Monday to Thursday inclusive.
Days within the octave of Easter.

3. Solemnities of the Lord, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and saints listed in the General Calendar.
All Souls.

4. Proper Solemnities, namely:

a. Solemnity of the principal patron of the place, that is, the city or state.
b. Solemnity of the dedication of a particular church and the anniversary.
c. Solemnity of the title, or of the founder, or of the principal patron of a religious order or congregation.

II

5. Feasts of the Lord in the General Calendar.

6. Sundays of the Christmas season and Sundays in Ordinary Time.

7. Feasts of the Blessed Virgin Mary and of the saints in the General Calendar.

8. Proper feasts, namely:

a. Feast of the principal patron of the diocese.
b. Feast of the anniversary of the dedication of the cathedral.
c. Feast of the principal patron of a region or province, or a country, or of a wider territory.
d. Feast of the title, founder, or principle patron of an order or congregation and of a religious province, without prejudice to the directives in no. 4.
e. Other feasts proper to an individual church.
f. Other feasts listed in the calendar of a diocese or of a religious order or congregation.

9. Weekdays of Advent from 17 December to 24 December inclusive.
Days within the octave of Christmas.
Weekdays of Lent.

III

10. Obligatory memorials in the General Calendar.

11. Proper obligatory memorials, namely:

a. Memorial of a secondary patron of the place, diocese, region, or province, country or wider territory, or of an order or congregation and of a religious province.
b. Obligatory memorials listed in the calendar of a diocese, or of an order or congregation.

12. Optional memorials; but these may be celebrated even on the days listed in no. 9, in the special manner described by the General Instruction of the Roman Missal and of the Liturgy of the Hours.
In the same manner obligatory memorials may be celebrated as optional memorials if they happen to fall on the Lenten weekdays.

13. Weekdays of Advent up to 16 December inclusive.
Weekdays of the Christmas season from 2 January until the Saturday after Epiphany.
Weekdays of the Easter season from Monday after the octave of Easter until the Saturday before Pentecost inclusive.
Weekdays in Ordinary Time.

For the Tridentine Calendar, the following table of precedence is followed:

Sundays are classed as Major (i.e. Greater) Sundays of the 1st or 2nd class; and Minor (i.e. Lesser, or Ordinary) Sundays;

Feasts, as doubles, simples, or commemorations;

Ferias, as major or minor.

The feasts called doubles are subdivided into: 1st class, 2nd class, greater, and lesser.

Each day in the calendar is specifically labeled to make the selection of precedence as simple as possible.



So at a guess we celebrate:

Sunday: Solemnity to the Immaculate Conception with a commemoration for the Second Sunday of Advent

Monday: Dedication of the Church.

 

[Paul S]

Sunday: Solemnity to the Immaculate Conception with a commemoration for the Second Sunday of Advent

Monday: Dedication of the Church.

Remember there's three different calendars in the question - pre-1962, 1962, and 1970. I'll give a hint here - the first two are similar, except for the commemorations. The 1970 calendar, for the new Mass, doesn't have commemorations (I think it actually does during Lent, but I've never seen it done, and it involves replacing the prayers of the feria with the prayers of the saint.)

And don't forget about commemorations on Monday the 9th.

 

[Ann M]

56. The Church's practice has been to celebrate the saints on the date of their death ("birthday"), a practice it would be well to follow when entering proper celebrations in particular calendars.

Even though proper celebrations have special importance for individual local Churches or religious families, it is of great advantage that there be as much unity as possible in the observance of solemnities, feasts, and obligatory memorials listed in the General Calendar.

In entering proper celebrations in a particular calendar, therefore, the following are to be observed:

a. Celebrations listed in the General Calendar are to be entered on the same date in a particular calendar, with a change in rank of celebration if necessary.

This also applies to diocesan or religious calendars when celebrations proper to an individual church alone are added.

b. Celebrations for saints not included in the General Calendar should be assigned to the date of their death. If the date of death is not known, the celebrations should be assigned to a date associated with the saint on some other grounds, such as the date of ordination or of the discovery or transfer of the saint's body; otherwise it is celebrated on a date unimpeded by other celebrations in that particular calendar.

c. If the date of death or other appropriate date is impeded in the General Calendar or in a particular calendar by another obligatory celebration, even of lower rank, the celebrations should be assigned to the closest date not so impeded.

d. If, however, it is a question of celebrations that cannot be transferred to another date because of pastoral reasons, the impeding celebration should itself be transferred.

e. Other celebrations, called feasts granted by indult, should be entered on a date more pastorally appropriate.

f. The cycle of the liturgical year should stand out with its full preeminence, but at the same time the celebration of the saints should not be permanently impeded. Therefore, dates that most of the time fall during Lent and the octave of Easter, as well as the weekdays between 17 December and 31 December, should remain free of any particular celebration, unless it is a question of optional memorials, feasts found in the Table of Liturgical Days under no. 8 a, b, c, d, or solemnities that cannot be transferred to another season.

The solemnity of Saint Joseph (19 March), except where it is observed as a holyday of obligation, may be transferred by the conferences of bishops to another day outside Lent.

57. If some saints or blessed are listed in the calendar on the same date, they are always celebrated together whenever they are of equal rank, even though one or more of them may be more proper to that calendar. If one or other of these saints or blessed is to be celebrated with a higher rank, that office alone is observed and the others are omitted, unless it is appropriate to assign them to another date in the form of an obligatory memorial.

58. For the pastoral advantage of the people, it is permissible to observe on the Sundays in Ordinary Time those celebrations that fall during the week and have special appeal to the devotion of the faithful, provided the celebrations take precedence over these Sundays in the Table of Liturgical Days. The Mass for such celebrations may be used at all the Masses at which a congregation is present.

59. Precedence among liturgical days relative to the celebration is governed solely by the following table.

60. If several celebrations fall on the same day, the one that holds the highest rank according to the preceding Table of Liturgical Days is observed. But a solemnity impeded by a liturgical day that takes precedence over it should be transferred to the closest day not listed in nos. 1-8 in the table of precedence; the rule of no. 5 remains in effect. Other celebrations are omitted that year.

61. If the same day were to call for celebration of evening prayer of that day's office and evening prayer I of the following day, evening prayer of the day with the higher rank in the Table of Liturgical Days takes precedence; in cases of equal rank, evening prayer of the actual day takes precedence.




I give up Paul........

 

[Paul S]

You were very close with the Sunday being the Immaculate Conception with a commemoration of the Second Sunday of Advent, and Monday being the Dedication of the Church.

I'll give another hint - that's correct for both pre-Vatican II calendars, except for the commemorations which must be made on Monday.

In the 1970 calendar, for the new Mass, that's not what would be celebrated.

You always have to look at four things: the current day of the season, the current day's saint, any feasts proper to the church, diocese, or nation, and any movable feasts (like Christ the King, last Sunday of October).

Then you figure out which one of the four (if there are all four - there's most often only the season and saint) has the highest rank, and then figure out what to do with the rest.

If you still want to give up, I'll give the answer.

 

[Ann M]

The Eighth Day of December

The Immaculate Conception of the glorious and ever Virgin Mary, Mother of God. On this day, the Sovereign Pontiff, Pius IX, solemnly defined that by a singular privilege of God, she was preserved free from all stain of original sin. A totum duplex feast of the first class.

At Treves, St. Eucharius, who was a disciple of St. Peter the Apostle, and first Bishop of Treves.

At Alexandria, St. Macarius, martyr. In the time of Decius, the judge tried by many arguments to persuade him to deny Christ, but he confessed the faith with all the greater firmness. Finally, he was ordered to be burned alive.

In Cyprus, St. Sophronius, bishop. He was a wonderful protector of wards, orphans, and widows, and a helper of all the poor and oppressed.

In the monastery of Luxeuil in Gaul, St. Romaricus, abbot. He had very high rank at the court of King Theodebert, but, forsaking the world, he excehed others in his observance of the monastic life.

At Constantinople, St. Patapius, hermit, who was renowned for his virtues and miracles.

At Rome, the finding of the bodies of the holy martyrs Nemesius, deacon, his daughter the virgin Lucina, Symphronius, Olympius the tribune, Exuperia, his wife, and Theodulus, his son. Commemoration of them is made on August 25.

At Verona, the ordination of St. Zeno, bishop.

Nope Paul. I am definately having problems trying to find any other information relating to the 1970 Mass.

I must concede defeat and let you tell me tha answer.

 

[Paul S]

Before 1962, the feast of the Immaculate Conception was a I Class Double with a common Octave. The Second Sunday in Advent was a II Class Sunday, and the Dedication of a Church was a I Class Double.

II Class Sundays give way only to I Class Doubles. Only I Class and II Class Double feasts are transferred, everything else is commemorated that year, so the Dedication has to be transferred to the following day.

Also, in Advent and Lent, all the ferias (weekdays) are commemorated.

So before 1962:
Sunday, December 8: Immaculate Conception, com. of 2nd Sunday in Advent.
Monday, December 9: Dedication of the Church, com. of Octave, com. of feria.

When the calendar was revised in 1962, all the octaves were dropped except for Easter, Pentecost, and Christmas, and all the vigils (including Halloween) were abolished except for Christmas and Pentecost.

So at a Mass celebrated according to the 1962 Missal, it would be as above without the commemoration of the octave.

In the 1970 calendar, as you posted,

The entire table of precedence is listed below.

I

1. Easter triduum of the Lord's passion and resurrection.

2. Christmas, Epiphany, Ascension, and Pentecost.
Sundays of Advent, Lent, and the Easter season.
Ash Wednesday.
Weekdays of Holy Week from Monday to Thursday inclusive.
Days within the octave of Easter.

3. Solemnities of the Lord, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and saints listed in the General Calendar.
All Souls.

Sundays in Advent take precedence over any feast whatsoever.

So Sunday would be the Second Sunday of Advent, and Monday the 9th would be the Immaculate Conception. The Dedication would then have to be moved to the 10th.

This is why the annual Ordo is published, so we don't have to figure all these out ourselves.

In the Missal and Breviary, there are tables that show what to do when several days conflict like this.