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That is my point their dating is way off. which makes me wonder if we can trust the dates of books of the Bible. How do we know we do not have the first drafts? Think if Mathew was written by Mathew and we have it, but science say not possible because it does not date to then. They can't even date a person how can they with a book.

soon man will be billions years old and the sun will predate all planets and everything in space proving to be hundreds of trillions years old, at least untill they find a new number to plug in :)

Another question is, of all the fossels found, it is a striking fact that not one "human" fossel has ever been found at the same level as dinosaurs.


I believe in the "big bang" theory.

God said it and "bang" it happened!

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Another question is, of all the fossels found, it is a striking fact that not one "human" fossel has ever been found at the same level as dinosaurs.


I believe in the "big bang" theory.

Gad said it and "bang" it happened!

God Bless

Till all are one.

Well you got to remember they are millions of years old man had just not evolved yet. We where still amphibians^_^. Yet they can not explain how job new what dinosaurs were. Yet science uses the Bible as a historical book when looking for lost civilizations. So I guess they can only admit part of the Bible is true.

If that is the big bang theory I guess i would have to agree with that theory of the big bang:amen:

You know I am surprised at how no one has joined in to tell us how foolish Christians we are, and how our ideas are out date. everyone know science is advanced thinking, we should get with it:D
 
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Funny too, is that Wednesday morning when I got home from work. The CBS Morning news just revealed new evidence of a bone uncovered that had human DNA that dated back to around 400,000 years ago.

400,000 Year Old Human DNA adds new tangle to our orign story.

What will science come up with next?

God Bless

Till all are one.

Genetic Adam and Eve just means that the parental lineage of all humans converge with one man and one woman per DNA which supports the Bible. Do human lines other than that exist that have died off of course.I do work off the two scriptures theory, God has two scriptures the Bible and Nature.
One tells us the how things happened and one the why things happen and where they are going.
 
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Well you got to remember they are millions of years old man had just not evolved yet. We where still amphibians^_^. Yet they can not explain how job new what dinosaurs were. Yet science uses the Bible as a historical book when looking for lost civilizations. So I guess they can only admit part of the Bible is true.

If that is the big bang theory I guess i would have to agree with that theory of the big bang:amen:

You know I am surprised at how no one has joined in to tell us how foolish Christians we are, and how our ideas are out date. everyone know science is advanced thinking, we should get with it:D

The Bible tells us about humans and why we exist. It contains many mysteries we do not yet have the knowledge to understand. Science and Theology work best hand in hand under the authority of God. So think but trust the scriptures(majority text)and God. My take on the issue anyways.
 
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Genetic Adam and Eve just means that the parental lineage of all humans converge with one man and one woman per DNA which supports the Bible. Do human lines other than that exist that have died off of course.I do work off the two scriptures theory, God has two scriptures the Bible and Nature.
One tells us the how things happened and one the why things happen and where they are going.

I don't think God uses nature as his script after all mans natural state is sin yet we are told to put sin to death. God is super natural, and as his servants we are supernatural. What makes the man flesh or spirit? Seems to me just about everything in the Bible goes against the natural order.
 
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In all there grand science,they still can not tell us exactly how the spark of life,which
Is the spark that transforms non living into living,how it works and what made the first spark
Of life on this planet.
But we know.

It sure takes a lot more faith to believe in happenstance of a big bang,than God.
 
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In all there grand science,they still can not tell us exactly how the spark of life,which
Is the spark that transforms non living into living,how it works and what made the first spark
Of life on this planet.
But we know.

It sure takes a lot more faith to believe in happenstance of a big bang,than God.

I'm thankful that The LORD has used great scientific minds to bring us breakthroughs in medicine, safety, mathematics etc., but I feel sorry for the people that will not look anywhere else than science. God is above science.
 
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is that what you call that it is education oh. well i have a degree and 7 years of advanced schooling plus getting another 7 currently. That enough education for ya?

Simple fact is man was created on the last day, and yes it was days of creation. man can be traced back thousands of years. Jesus bloodline is traced all the way back through Seth to Adam in Luke, there is simply not millions of years worth of generations.

You can study one subject for 20 years...doesn't make you educated in another subject.

In the Adamic bloodline you're right. I don't be believe Genesis 1 and 2 are not reiterations...it reads as a story of creation and then the creation of the Adamic race. jm2c. If you'd care to explain the microevolution of the homo genus I'd loved to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Are you well versed on how isotope dating works and is calculated?
 
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In all there grand science,they still can not tell us exactly how the spark of life,which
Is the spark that transforms non living into living,how it works and what made the first spark
Of life on this planet.
But we know.

It sure takes a lot more faith to believe in happenstance of a big bang,than God.

Actual they did this back in the 50s.

Google "Miller–Urey experiment"
 
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You can study one subject for 20 years...doesn't make you educated in another subject.

In the Adamic bloodline you're right. I don't be believe Genesis 1 and 2 are not reiterations...it reads as a story of creation and then the creation of the Adamic race. jm2c. If you'd care to explain the microevolution of the homo genus I'd loved to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Are you well versed on how isotope dating works and is calculated?

Why would i get a degree in something i do not believe in? So by your logic I should study false religions as well or I could not possibly know they are false. Is that educated thinking?

I have faith in God not man.

Like I said you worship your God i'll worship mine.
 
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So by your logic I should study false religions as well or I could not possibly know they are false. Is that educated thinking? Like I said you worship your God i'll worship mine.
Actually, it doesn't hurt to know something about false religions. Studying them is one thing, but studying them enough to grasp what they are trying to say is another. We are called to defend our faith and always be ready to give a defense of why we believe (1 Peter 3:15). Paul practiced what he preached about defending the faith, he did it constantly against false teachings (2 Corinthians, Philippians, Titus are just a few books he does this in). If you are witnessing to someone from a different religion, it is best to have at least an idea of what they believe so that you can witness effectively. Defending the faith is much more than merely saying because it's in the Bible and I believe it and God said it so it's true. While that is true, it is not a good witnessing idea to use such statements against those set in their religion and knowledgeable of their ways against the Bible. Defending our faith is scriptural and sometimes we have to know others religions in order to do so. You aren't studying them to become a part of it, you learn it to defend against it to bring those who are Christ's out of that false religion to Him. And you are not studying it to know it is false, you are learning of it to show those in it that it is false.
 
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Actually, it doesn't hurt to know something about false religions. Studying them is one thing, but studying them enough to grasp what they are trying to say is another. We are called to defend our faith and always be ready to give a defense of why we believe (1 Peter 3:15). Paul practiced what he preached about defending the faith, he did it constantly against false teachings (2 Corinthians, Philippians, Titus are just a few books he does this in). If you are witnessing to someone from a different religion, it is best to have at least an idea of what they believe so that you can witness effectively. Defending the faith is much more than merely saying because it's in the Bible and I believe it and God said it so it's true. While that is true, it is not a good witnessing idea to use such statements against those set in their religion and knowledgeable of their ways against the Bible. Defending our faith is scriptural and sometimes we have to know others religions in order to do so. You aren't studying them to become a part of it, you learn it to defend against it to bring those who are Christ's out of that false religion to Him. And you are not studying it to know it is false, you are learning of it to show those in it that it is false.

Just so happens I have studied with a number of religious leaders from different faiths and it is not necessary to study it to know it is false you can learn all that from the Bible. That was my point.

Science is the religion of the world it is a world view, flesh view not a spiritual one. It is hypocritical on one hand it says it does not deal in faith only facts, on the other they come up with these big stories about life and it is just at best a guess, yet the preach it as fact and say have faith. If God says to put faith in him, yet we put faith in something other than him at best we have two masters and what did God say about that?

Its funny I grew up in America you honestly think I have no knowledge of science? As if that is even possible with children going to school in America. I had science as well in college for my final back in 96 I had to write a paper for biology for a drug which would cure Aids. We had to event a drug and how it would work. I came up with a drug which they now use protace in hibtors. This was years before the drug, still made a B in the class. So give me a break, one thing i have not learned because i walked out of the class every time they taught it is evolution. i know the basics and i don't care for more.

Science is a religion. 98 is suggesting the Bible is wrong about mans age and about the earth age, and that science is right and the earth is billions of years old He calls this education which I assume he is trying to pass off or say it is wisdom. i don't know about you but I find it offensive that my God is being called a lier and that thoughts of men are being accepted over the words of God.

Wake up science is a religion which claims it is not one. You have to put your faith in men and their theories, how is that different from putting your faith in a false God. It is not, you make men out to be God, because they are right about some stuff does not change its nature. Most religion thousands of years ago had an account of the great flood. Guess what that is true, but their fact were all off.

WHat i suggested is science can not date anything because it thinks the earth is millions or billions of years old, but people are arguing that and yet claim to serve God. Guess that is like the kiss of judas. Ethier you have faith in God or you do not. Either God is truth or he is a lier, but stop trying to hide by double dealing. because Jesus shines light on you.

I did not mean that to you necessarily but to all those preaching science. If muslims said the Bible was untrue and there God told them the earth was 20 billions years old, everyone would say that is a false religion, but science can do it and no one says a thing. Not this cat i am sick of being pushed by science now I push back for God.

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on another note I guess i spoke to soon when know one came out to call us foolish for making fun of science. funny how offended people get when you slay their God.

I also find it funny because i do not worship at the altar of science it is said i just don't know enough about it read more. Funny but what do we tell people do after they get saved Read the Bible go to church, learn more about God. i am told i need to learn more about science not God, funny, yet these are people who claim to be christian. ha ha ha funny.

there is only one book a person can read and learn everything about life and gain great wisdom it is The Bible. A person needs read no more books because it is all in there. What i find is people just say another way what the Bible already says.
 
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I am a young earth creationist. I believe scripture from front to back. But I do remember the first time I witnessed to someone of a different faith. I could not answer their questions to direct them to the fact that their particular faith was false. I gained insight to their faith and asked myself the question, "how could they know their religion is false?". Then the answer dawned on me, "they don't know the God of the Bible, just the God they have been taught". People from other faiths are more versed and skilled than over 80% of proclaiming Christians. That is truly a shame. As I said, you aren't learning anything of their religion to know it is false, you learn enough of their religion to counter act with proper scripture that leads them to know their religion is false and why it's false. I like science, I am in the medical field and love the way the body works and how it heals itself. I love the way scripture makes fools of most in the field. But does me being in the medical field contradict my view of scripture? By no means, it's the field God led me into to be a witness. Try talking to a devout muslim, one he knows the our Bible better than the majority of American Christians. Unless you know something about someone else's faith, it's difficult to be an effective witness. Missionaries who spend their life in the field know this to be true as well, and the most effective of them learn the region they are going to believes so that may scriptural deny it to witness and bring God's people to him. I am not offended, I worship the God of the Bible and no other, but I don't mind learning enough of other faiths to help me witness against what they believe. We are told to be apologist and defend our faith, so that's what I do. As for young earth verses old earth creationist, do I think old earth creationist are not Christians? Not my place to know a man's heart, that belongs to God alone. However, I have many friends who are old earth creationist who have more reverence for God and stand in complete awe of His power to want to create all things knowing the creation would turn their backs on Him and rather be left to their sins than serve Him all His glory and majesty.
 
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I am a young earth creationist. I believe scripture from front to back. But I do remember the first time I witnessed to someone of a different faith. I could not answer their questions to direct them to the fact that their particular faith was false. I gained insight to their faith and asked myself the question, "how could they know their religion is false?". Then the answer dawned on me, "they don't know the God of the Bible, just the God they have been taught". People from other faiths are more versed and skilled than over 80% of proclaiming Christians. That is truly a shame. As I said, you aren't learning anything of their religion to know it is false, you learn enough of their religion to counter act with proper scripture that leads them to know their religion is false and why it's false. I like science, I am in the medical field and love the way the body works and how it heals itself. I love the way scripture makes fools of most in the field. But does me being in the medical field contradict my view of scripture? By no means, it's the field God led me into to be a witness. Try talking to a devout muslim, one he knows the our Bible better than the majority of American Christians. Unless you know something about someone else's faith, it's difficult to be an effective witness. Missionaries who spend their life in the field know this to be true as well, and the most effective of them learn the region they are going to believes so that may scriptural deny it to witness and bring God's people to him. I am not offended, I worship the God of the Bible and no other, but I don't mind learning enough of other faiths to help me witness against what they believe. We are told to be apologist and defend our faith, so that's what I do. As for young earth verses old earth creationist, do I think old earth creationist are not Christians? Not my place to know a man's heart, that belongs to God alone. However, I have many friends who are old earth creationist who have more reverence for God and stand in complete awe of His power to want to create all things knowing the creation would turn their backs on Him and rather be left to their sins than serve Him all His glory and majesty.


You see, i have a different take.

Young earth, old earth, that is not important. Least wise to me.

There is enough scientific evidence to show that the earth is indeed possibly, older than we think.

Could dinosaurs be the "behemoths" and "levithan" mentioned in Job?

They very well could be.

Scientists still believe alligators to be "living dinosaurs".

We cannot deny the existence of them, there have been too many fossels discovered to deny the fact.

However, this opens the door to another "loophole".

Perhaps the "Gap Theory" might, notice I said might, have some weight to it.

And, there is the fact that when "dinosaur fossels" were discovered, and to this day, fossels of dinosaurs and humans are never found together at the same level.

And there is the arguement of the footprint found on top of a fossel. But it might have been that it was stepped on, and they did not know it or recognize it.

This also raises the question of the validity of the book of Enoch.

Enoch describes the antediluvians, the race of giants that supposedly came from "angels" (scriptures say "sons of God came into the daughters of men, and bare children to them" cf. Gen. 6:4) as being 300 cubits tall.

Look at the dimentions of the ark.

The ark was to be 300 cubits in lengths.

The book of Enoch says:

"Whose stature was each three hundred cubits." -Enoch 7:2

The antedilvians were as tall as the ark was long!

If they were indeed 300 cubits tall, (roughly 450 feet tall: one cubit=1.5'), after the flood, here it is 2013, how come there have been no skeletons found of the antedilivans? They were bigger than any dinosaur ever discovered.

There is also the supposition that they were 3000 ells tall according to 1 Enoch 6-16. That woiuld make them as tall as 4500 feet. (one ell = 1.5')

Goliath was supposedly a "post-antedilivan".

You can debate young/old until the cows come home, but I see the main thrust of the Genesis creation account not so much in time. Who cares if it took six literal 24 hour days, or six one-thousand year days.

What is important to me is not how long it took, but who did it to begin with.

If God is indeed "omnipotent", is it beyond His divine capability to simply speak it, and it suddenly appear? In a micro-second it come into existance?

So who cares if it took six micro-seconds, or six days, or six one-thousand years days, or even six million years. What is important, is who did it to begin with.

Least wise, that is how I see it.

If you are an advocate of the six 24 hour creation account, fine, God Bless you. I won't debate you.

If you believe in the six one-thousand years, fine, God Bless you. I won't debate you.

I just see it in a different light.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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And Cain went to Nod and knew his wife.

Prior to this there were no other children except Able.
At that point Able was dead,after Cain left,then Adam had Seth and sons and daughters.
The events suggests that Cain was the missing link

That is good! :D

I like that.

Just some more info that makes one stop and think.

How long did Adam and Eve spend in the Garden before they were cast out?

In another extra-canonical book, it is stated that Adam took some 1500 years to name all the creation.

Remember that God caused everything (animals I suppose) to pass before him and he named them. And this supposedly happened before Eve was made an helpmate.

So between the time Eve was made for Adam, and the time she ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, how many years passed?

Remember death did not happen upon the earth until Adam fell.

But we do know that Adam lived 930 years after he was cast of of the Garden.

Adam could very well have been the oldest living person ever!

So how old is the earth?

God Bless

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Professor Farnsworth said:
I've hit a rich vein of missing links. Java Man, Piltdown Man, Manfred Mann...Eureka! It's the elusive missing missing link!

Futurama, Season 6, Episode 9, A Clockwork Origin

http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/p36co4/futurama-the-elusive-missing-missing-link

Have fun with that one. :D

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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And Cain went to Nod and knew his wife.

Prior to this there were no other children except Able.
At that point Able was dead,after Cain left,then Adam had Seth and sons and daughters.
The events suggests that Cain was the missing link

It is a good question where did the other people come from. I don't believe in evolution, but i wonder where they came from.

Maybe lillth was walking the earth having kids the whole time:D
 
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