Look, in serious theological discussions, you don't came at someone with there accusation that they aren't sufficiently moved by the Spirit. If the three are one, then no, their jobs don't overlap, aren't identical.
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Look, in serious theological discussions, you don't came at someone with there accusation that they aren't sufficiently moved by the Spirit. If the three are one, then no, their jobs don't overlap, aren't identical.May be a problem for you if you aren't robed in the Holy Spirit you are coming up with human reasoning which will fall short. If the Three are One then their jobs are the same on some level.
You do not admit any sense of "one God" other than "one personality being there"? What is the demonstration for this? Why is this anything more than a stipulative definition?There is just one personality there.
Well, why do you have problems with this? If, for example, you refer to Wotan and his wife Flicka, you have two gods, right? If you are thinking of God as other than personality, then you have collapsed down God into being an abstract, impersonal principle.You do not admit any sense of "one God" other than "one personality being there"? What is the demonstration for this? Why is this anything more than a stipulative definition?
What is the demonstration for this? Why are we in a dichotomy between "personality" on the one hand and "abstract impersonal principle" on the other?If you are thinking of God as other than personality, then you have collapsed down God into being an abstract, impersonal principle.
OK, but what about the Holy Spirit? You left out the Third Person.
In the beginning (Genesis 1:1) it was Elohim that crested the heavens and the earth.
Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים) is a plural name for "gods" or "Deity" in Biblical Hebrew. In the modern usage it is often referred to in the singular despite the -im ending that denotes plural masculine nouns in Hebrew. However in the context of God the Father, The Fathers image on Earth (the Son, Christ Jesus) and the Spirit of God it would seem that the very earliest reference to God that was a paradox for monotheism is resolved.
Not really. The modern Trinity doctrine actually comes from around the 5th century A.D. One of the first appearances of it is in the Athanasian Creed.
You in red.Look, in serious theological discussions, you don't came at someone with there accusation that they aren't sufficiently moved by the Spirit. If the three are one, then no, their jobs don't overlap, aren't identical.
The words of Agur the son of Jakeh, even the prophecy: the man spake unto Ithiel, even unto Ithiel and Ucal,
2 Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man.
3 I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? (Prov. 30:1-4 KJV)
19 Then Nebuchadnezzar was full of fury, and the expression on his face changed toward Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego. He spoke and commanded that they heat the furnace seven times more than it was usually heated.
20 And he commanded certain mighty men of valor who were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, and cast them into the burning fiery furnace.
21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their trousers, their turbans, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
22 Therefore, because the king's command was urgent, and the furnace exceedingly hot, the flame of the fire killed those men who took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego.
23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, "Did we not cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?" They answered and said to the king, "True, O king."
25 "Look!" he answered, "I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God." (Dan. 3:19-25 NKJ)
Eternally begotten is not possible. In John 8:42 Jesus said that He came out of God and He used a past tense verb. That means it's a completed action that is finish, thus there is no eternal begetting.
Yes, the Father calls Jesus God. The word "theos" is a title. It doesn't mean they are the same being.
A heresy is only an heresy if it goes against God's word. It is a fact that most main line churches beliefs are wrong!A heresy is only an heresy if it goes against church beliefs. What if some of the church beliefs may be wrong?
The Jews largely rejected God and His word throughout the OT and the Jews rejected Jesus even when He was among them which makes you point moot.It reveals that God has a divine Son, but because the Old Testiment doesn't teach that, the Jews largely rejected Jesus based on their scripture.
You could say "person" or "personality." You have to ask why we are in a dichotomy? Because many images of God reduce God to being a principle, not a person. For example, arguing that there are three Persons and that they represent one God because they are all of the same nature, Deity, reduces God to an abstract principle., just as is human nature, in the case of human persons.What is the demonstration for this? Why are we in a dichotomy between "personality" on the one hand and "abstract impersonal principle" on the other?
You are wont to employ the term "personality" although it finds little purchase in theology; surely it gives you something "person" does not. Just what that is... we have not yet seen.
God, in many ways, may be beyond our understanding, but certainly not in all ways. We believe in revelation, a revealing of God. So we do have some definite knowledge of God. The Trinity has been a very confusing topic and many are quite to say that is all due to the mystery of God. However, I believe this "mystery" can be unveiled as largely the product of muddled thinking on the part of teh church fathers.Problem is, people are referring to God and Jesus as someone we know. They are not of this world, so to speak. God is beyond our understanding. We are trying to work out the 'Trinity' etc in 'our' ways with our limited knowledge. I dont think it could ever be explained.
Jesus prayed to His Father in Heaven. Many times he referred to God the Father.
Yes, but see, soul and spirit appear to considerably overlap here. Remember, the passage says like dividing joints and marrow, which are fused together, part of one another.Just as Hebrews 4:12 states....body, soul and spirit.
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