Trinity

[hisgrace26]

I want to know what you all think about the Trinity, because this topic just caught my attention as I look at it more deeper a few day ago. According to Christianity, the Trinity make up the Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are 3 distinct person, each having its own role. If the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity, then the Holy Spirit is not the Father. Using this same logic Jesus could not be God. But most of us would agree based on Christian doctrine, Jesus is God. Can somebody explain this?

Furthermore, what I'm really concern at the moment is that if the Holy Spirit is not the Father then it cannot be God. Wikipedia states that the Holy Spirit is GOD. So here I am confused. If the Holy Spirit is God, then wouldn't that in conflict with the Father being the one God? If we're to accept this, then are we saying there is 3 gods? I don't think so. It is still the same God, but how can the Holy Spirit and Jesus be God if they are distinct? Anybody want to comment on that?

 

[Shane R]

Trinity Sunday was not long ago. It is the one day each year that the Athanasian creed is read in church. The Athanasian creed defines the trinity.

Here is a brief treatment of the divinity of Christ by the late leader of the Coptic Orthodox Church, Pope Shenouda III: THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST

 

[elopez]

I want to know what you all think about the Trinity, because this topic just caught my attention as I look at it more deeper a few day ago. According to Christianity, the Trinity make up the Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are 3 distinct person, each having its own role. If the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity, then the Holy Spirit is not the Father. Using this same logic Jesus could not be God. But most of us would agree based on Christian doctrine, Jesus is God. Can somebody explain this?

The Trinity is central to any Christian theology and belief that can be held. The Trinity is to say that there is one God existent as three distinct persons: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So yes, each person has their own role and is different from one another only in that respect. For example, the Father is not incarnated, the Son is, thus the Father is not the Son. The Spirit was not crucified, but the Son was, thus the Spirit is not the Son. Surely you get my point. Each person is the one same God, but a different person. So it is only a matter of difference of person-hood, not God-hood. Jesus is still God although he is not the Father.

Furthermore, what I'm really concern at the moment is that if the Holy Spirit is not the Father then it cannot be God. Wikipedia states that the Holy Spirit is GOD. So here I am confused. If the Holy Spirit is God, then wouldn't that in conflict with the Father being the one God? If we're to accept this, then are we saying there is 3 gods? I don't think so. It is still the same God, but how can the Holy Spirit and Jesus be God if they are distinct? Anybody want to comment on that?

Again, this logic is faulty. Just because the Spirit is not the Father, how could it be that the Spirit ceases to be God? Again the difference is in the person, not God. The difference is even more so in the roles.

 

[Going Merry]

John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

Galatians 4:6
And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”

1 Corinthians 2:10-1
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.

Son, Father, Holy Spirit

 

[martymonster]

How often do you hear Jesus talk about His relationship with the holyspirit?

None.

How often does Christ mention about him and the holy spirit being one?

None.

How often do you hear scripture talk about the trinity?

None.

How many unscriptural ananologies are there to try and explain the trinity?

A lot.

As soon as someone tries to teach you something unscriptural they have to go outside scripture to do it.

Absolutely no scripture that talks of a trinity period!

 

[3 Angels Messages]

I want to know what you all think about...

Here is what the Bible teaches about the Father [Ancient of Days], the Son [Michael/Christ Jesus] and the Holy Spirit [another Comforter]...

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589311-31/#post60724840

http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-12/#post60556207

 

[IOWLBNIF]

How often do you hear Jesus talk about His relationship with the holyspirit?

None.

How often does Christ mention about him and the holy spirit being one?

None.

How often do you hear scripture talk about the trinity?

None.

How many unscriptural ananologies are there to try and explain the trinity?

A lot.

As soon as someone tries to teach you something unscriptural they have to go outside scripture to do it.

Absolutely no scripture that talks of a trinity period!

the only truth (shockingly) that i see. (lol)



The Archangel Michael is not Christ lol

 

[3 Angels Messages]

...The Archangel Michael is not Christ lol

I will be glad to reply to your responses to the given thread [2nd], after you have thoroughly read through the already given repsonses and answers to questions already presented. Duplicate questions will not be further addressed unless there is a drastically different aspect to it.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7589.../#post60724840

http://www.christianforums.com/t7655.../#post60556207

 

[IOWLBNIF]

i am not reading 31 pages of posts


if you care to ask some questions, then we can do so........

however the burden of proof is on you

 

[IOWLBNIF]

and also, it seems as you take things out of context...


i just read some of that....


a lot of out of context and a lot of assuming going on in your doctrine....



i put up with none of it.........ask some people around here my friend.

 

[winslow]

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[Going Merry]

"in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit."

oo im being built together with the other saints as a dwelling place of god, in the spirit.. yay

 

[Going Merry]

I like this one

"to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God."

 

[Philothei]

Thread closed for review.

 

[DarylFawcett]

MOD HAT ON!!!

Thread moved and re-opened.

MOD HAT OFF!!!

 

[SimonNova]

to me it seems that the Trinity is just over-complicating things.

I see God as God.

Jesus is how we relate to him, and the Holy Spirit is the agent of action.

but basically, it's all the same.

 

[Harry3142]

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. (I Corinthians 15:20-28,NIV)

Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:

Who, being in very nature God, did not see equality with God as something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death - even death on a cross!

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:5-11,NIV)

"You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and is now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." (The Gospel of St. John 4:22-24,NIV)

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. (Genesis 1:1-2,NIV)

"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." (The Gospel of St. Matthew 12:30-32,NIV)

God has a triune nature. He is a Father, both creator and protector. He is a son, obedient and fully cooperative with his Father. And he is a Spirit, his very essence.

 

[WisdomTree]

For an illustration:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-compact.svg

Like those who said before, this diagram indicates the following: the Father is not the Son; the Father is not the Holy Ghost; the Son is not the Father; the Son is not the Holy Ghost; the Holy Ghost is not the Father; the Holy Ghost is not the Son. While at the same time it says that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. Does this mean that there are three Gods? No, it just means that God has three "personas".

An analogy to help you understand: let's say you have a nice cube, just picture it now. The cube has three "dimensional" properties: the vertice; the edge; and the surface. Now the vertice is not the edge, nor is it the surface; the edge is not the surface, nor is it the vertice; and the surface is not the vertice, nor is it the edge. But each of these three make up the cube, so does that mean that you have three cubes? Nope, because of these three "dimensional" properties, you have a nice cube in your hand.

So like this cube, the three "personas" make up one God! Of course, the actual nature of God will probably be way more awesome than my silly analogy which I basically stole from some apologetcs website...

 

[2ducklow]

For an illustration:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-compact.svg

Like those who said before, this diagram indicates the following: the Father is not the Son; the Father is not the Holy Ghost; the Son is not the Father; the Son is not the Holy Ghost; the Holy Ghost is not the Father; the Holy Ghost is not the Son. While at the same time it says that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. Does this mean that there are three Gods? No, it just means that God has three "personas".

An analogy to help you understand: let's say you have a nice cube, just picture it now. The cube has three "dimensional" properties: the vertice; the edge; and the surface. Now the vertice is not the edge, nor is it the surface; the edge is not the surface, nor is it the vertice; and the surface is not the vertice, nor is it the edge. But each of these three make up the cube, so does that mean that you have three cubes? Nope, because of these three "dimensional" properties, you have a nice cube in your hand.

The surface of the cube is not the cube, the vertice of the cube is not the cube, and the edge of the cube is not the cube, they are parts of the cube. so your analogy relegates God the Father to being a part of God, but not God.

So like this cube, the three "personas" make up one God! Of course, the actual nature of God will probably be way more awesome than my silly analogy which I basically stole from some apologetcs website...

So God the Father, whom the word of God calls the one and only true or real God, (1 cor. 8.6, and john 17.3) is according to you one of 3 personas making up the one true God..

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.

No verse says God the Father is a persona. In fact no verse says anyone is a persona.

 

[coons786c]

I want to know what you all think about the Trinity, because this topic just caught my attention as I look at it more deeper a few day ago. According to Christianity, the Trinity make up the Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are 3 distinct person, each having its own role. If the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity, then the Holy Spirit is not the Father. Using this same logic Jesus could not be God. But most of us would agree based on Christian doctrine, Jesus is God. Can somebody explain this?

Furthermore, what I'm really concern at the moment is that if the Holy Spirit is not the Father then it cannot be God. Wikipedia states that the Holy Spirit is GOD. So here I am confused. If the Holy Spirit is God, then wouldn't that in conflict with the Father being the one God? If we're to accept this, then are we saying there is 3 gods? I don't think so. It is still the same God, but how can the Holy Spirit and Jesus be God if they are distinct? Anybody want to comment on that?

You are going to get so many opinions on this subject and others are going to put down what others said on this board. I would pray about this subject because the bible says all the fullness of the Godhead bodily is in Jesus Christ. Do a search of the History of the Trinity. Read them get your own conclusion and pray to God ask for divine understanding. And just because 95% of Christianity believes in something does not make it correct.