Trinity???

[Melania Rose]

JacksLadder,
Explain to me how a rosebud opens into a beautiful flower, if you can. If you cannot then how do you expect anyone else to explain what cannot be seen with human eyes, if you yourself cannot explain what you do see? God is spirit, and not a physical part of this world as we are.

God sent his Son to reveal Himself to the world, and if you cannot appreciate that He made this "bridge" for us, then no one truly can help you. Acceptance of God and His salvation is the beginning of wisdom. Trying to explain a physical definition of God is futile, and the Trinity explains it the best for our understanding. There is only One God, and how God exists does not rely on a few words that man can come up with, nor is the Scriptures an entire dialog on what God looks like, or how the Trinity works. If you want understanding, and the veil lifted from your eyes, petition God to lift it so you may understand. Faith is between you and God, only.

It is a mystery.

 

[JacksLadder]

When correct nutrition, temperatures,weather and sunlight enable the plant an optimal time to reproduce it opens its flowers so its pollen can be spread male gametes to the female gamete and a seed is created.
So a Rosebud opens when it is time for the plant to reproduce.

 

[JacksLadder]

Why the Christian mystery over,Baha'i mystery, or the Islamic mystery of God? Unless you are allowed to ask quesitons about God, a person would just blindly follow whatever religion they are born into instead of trying to find God.

So just saying it's a mystery for me dose not cut it.

 

[HandmaidenOfGod]

When correct nutrition, temperatures,weather and sunlight enable the plant an optimal time to reproduce it opens its flowers so its pollen can be spread male gametes to the female gamete and a seed is created.
So a Rosebud opens when it is time for the plant to reproduce.

And who created this order? Who created the timetable?

To me, one can argue all day over the different religions of the world, but in my mind, to deny there is a God, I just don't get that.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[Melania Rose]

When correct nutrition, temperatures,weather and sunlight enable the plant an optimal time to reproduce it opens its flowers so its pollen can be spread male gametes to the female gamete and a seed is created.
So a Rosebud opens when it is time for the plant to reproduce.

You only explained the conditions. You didn't explain how it does it.

 

[Melania Rose]

Why the Christian mystery over,Baha'i mystery, or the Islamic mystery of God? Unless you are allowed to ask quesitons about God, a person would just blindly follow whatever religion they are born into instead of trying to find God.

So just saying it's a mystery for me dose not cut it.

But that is what it is, a mystery. If you cannot come to terms with that, then you will just keep beating yourself up about it over and over, and it never ends. Because it is a mystery, and we accept that it is, we can be at peace about this. Have you considered you are asking the wrong questions about God? To say we are blindly following, well, what is faith then? That is following without knowing the outcome. Perhaps you should pray for faith, because all you have faith in at the moment is your reasoning skills, and it takes more than this to be at peace with God.The most important thing is the gift of salvation that God has given to us, and we need to be thankful for that, instead of placing God under a microscope for judging, and analyzing. Your priorities need to be reviewed, I think.

 

[JacksLadder]

And who created this order? Who created the timetable?

To me, one can argue all day over the different religions of the world, but in my mind, to deny there is a God, I just don't get that.

Just my humble opinion.

The order was created by the one God,who caused a chemical reaction that through the process of evolution created plants then the rose.

 

[JacksLadder]

You only explained the conditions. You didn't explain how it does it.

Probably is due to chemical in the body of the plant that get triggered due to external stimulus.I am sure a botanist could tell you.

 

[Ave Maria]

I'm not Eastern Orthodox but perhaps this will help you:

CHURCH FATHERS: Against the Sabellians

 

[Melania Rose]

Probably is due to chemical in the body of the plant that get triggered due to external stimulus.I am sure a botanist could tell you.

I asked for you to tell me. Obviously, you missed the point. Things are not what they appear on the surface, either. You are putting physical qualities on God, instead of considering his essence. You cannot put God into a box.

 

[buzuxi02]

Human beings are trinitarian in nature as well. We are mind, body and soul, (see 1 Thess 5.23, Matt 22.37) the only difference is that it is the inverse for humans. We are one hypostasis in three essence or three natures. We dont say: "atleast its only your body that has the flu, your mind and soul are still intact". We do not divide the natures from the person (usually). The three natures are distinct yet inseperable, unmixed without confusion in one cohesive undivided person.

The scripture says that when a man marries a woman , the husband and wife become one flesh; 'She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man.Therefore shall a man leave his mother and father and cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh". (Gen 2.23-24)

Here is an allegory of the Trinity. The married wife and husband are two hypostasis in one essence. Woman came from man, as Christ came from God. Man leaves mother and father , because a child is the fruit of that one essence emanating from the two hypostasis. Thus the two hypostasis beget a third hypostasis, yet all three are one in essence. The human family is trinity, for it is Husband, Wife and Child, all sharing the one and same flesh (essense). Thus theres more leniency when it comes to making a distinction between hypostasis over natures. Thats why we dont divide Christ between a human one and a divine one for he is one hypostasis, on the other hand God is worshipped in his Threefold magnificence, since distinct hypostasi allow for it.

There is another prophetic sign of the Trinity revealed to us in modern times. And that is the ancient symbol which is now universally recognized as the Star of David, which adorns the flag of political Israel. Why is this star composed of two interlocking triangles? Because Jesus the messiah is of two natures-perfect God and perfect man.

Why are they triangular in shape? Because the one triangle that points up demonstrates Christ's divine nature as a person of the Trinity. And the triangle that points down shows how he came down from heaven and assumed humanity with a body and rational soul and mind.
It also teaches us that this God-man ascended back up and sent down the Holy Spirit upon his people. Anotherwords God became man so men may become god-like (theosis)

 

[JacksLadder]

Human beings are trinitarian in nature as well. We are mind, body and soul, (see 1 Thess 5.23, Matt 22.37) the only difference is that it is the inverse for humans. We are one hypostasis in three essence or three natures. We dont say: "atleast its only your body that has the flu, your mind and soul are still intact". We do not divide the natures from the person (usually). The three natures are distinct yet inseperable, unmixed without confusion in one cohesive undivided person.

The scripture says that when a man marries a woman , the husband and wife become one flesh; 'She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man.Therefore shall a man leave his mother and father and cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh". (Gen 2.23-24)

Here is an allegory of the Trinity. The married wife and husband are two hypostasis in one essence. Woman came from man, as Christ came from God. Man leaves mother and father , because a child is the fruit of that one essence emanating from the two hypostasis. Thus the two hypostasis beget a third hypostasis, yet all three are one in essence. The human family is trinity, for it is Husband, Wife and Child, all sharing the one and same flesh (essense). Thus theres more leniency when it comes to making a distinction between hypostasis over natures. Thats why we dont divide Christ between a human one and a divine one for he is one hypostasis, on the other hand God is worshipped in his Threefold magnificence, since distinct hypostasi allow for it.

There is another prophetic sign of the Trinity revealed to us in modern times. And that is the ancient symbol which is now universally recognized as the Star of David, which adorns the flag of political Israel. Why is this star composed of two interlocking triangles? Because Jesus the messiah is of two natures-perfect God and perfect man.

Why are they triangular in shape? Because the one triangle that points up demonstrates Christ's divine nature as a person of the Trinity. And the triangle that points down shows how he came down from heaven and assumed humanity with a body and rational soul and mind.
It also teaches us that this God-man ascended back up and sent down the Holy Spirit upon his people. Anotherwords God became man so men may become god-like (theosis)

I love the analogy but to me a married couple is two seperate people in a cooperative relationship untill death at which point they are seperated. Otherwise Heaven would have a lot of love triangles due to divorce or death and remarriage

Thanks for the post though, it is very thoughtful and thought provoking.

 

[buzuxi02]

I love the analogy but to me a married couple is two seperate people in a cooperative relationship untill death at which point they are seperated. Otherwise Heaven would have a lot of love triangles due to divorce or death and remarriage

Thanks for the post though, it is very thoughtful and thought provoking.

Well i speak of a healthy marriage, one which the "yoking" together is equal and of the same holy will (thats an Orthodox metaphysical understanding of marriage for another time). Also i said it was an allegory, anotherwords even though temporary or not a picture perfect example, it reveals something about the triune God.

 

[JacksLadder]

Well i speak of a healthy marriage, one which the "yoking" together is equal and of the same holy will (thats an Orthodox metaphysical understanding of marriage for another time). Also i said it was an allegory, anotherwords even though temporary or not a picture perfect example, it reveals something about the triune God.

When I see a healthy marriage I will be sure to study it LoL