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So Jesus=One God= God Suffered. Why are we allowed to divide God but not Jesus?
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We do not claim his "two natures" suffered instead it was the one and same person who suffered- Jesus of Nazareth. Dividing Jesus into categories of human and divine is the crux of the nestorian heresy.
So Jesus=One God= God Suffered. Why are we allowed to divide God but not Jesus?
Jews DO refer to their god as father, they call him "Avinu" ("Our Father", and 'abba' comes from the same root).
But if Jesus is part of the one God then of course the Father suffered. Did Jesus's divine half not suffer but only his human half durning the passion according to E.O.?
Not at all, the same principle applies. If you divide Christ you assume he is 2 hypostasis , a human hypostasis and and divine hypostasis, this is the nestorian heresy. Natures are not persons. God on the other hand is three hypostasis, thus the distinction is allowed. The distinction of three hypostasis is not division but one of unity, The two natures of Christ
concur in one hypostasis, thus we say Jesus Christ suffered we dont dissect Christ between natures.
The difference in greek terminology between ousia ( essense or substace), physeis (natures) and hypostasis (persons) is needed to better understand.
See to me that dose not make sense either God is one God or we have three gods who work together.
I was reading the other day how Islamic scholars refused to speculate on the nature of God so they would not end up in a hersey(trinity is their example of taking speculation too far). That made so much sense to me it was like I was seeing the religion of Arbaham of the One God.
I guess I am just not cut out for Christianity. My experiance tells me that Humanity are God's children , brothers and sisters of Jesus. Thanks for the info on modalism but I have a lot to mull over now.
My experiance tells me that Humanity are God's children , brothers and sisters of Jesus
Well, please pardon me if I'm overly sensitive, but I find your avatar very offensive. I would have gladly contributed to your threads if not for it.
I will dare to say you wouldn't be here at all if you didn't want to trouble with Christianity. But if I can I will say something else as well. God does not play by human rules. Has God not said, that he defeats the reasoning of the wise? Certainly he is above man's understanding. That does not mean though, that He is above our experience.
In fact Jesus, is God himself reaching down from eternity into this world, and doing something unchangeable. Did not the prophets look forward and see him? They did! His coming was foretold. How can his coming be foretold, unless God knows what will happen? The point being, God is outside of time. There was no moment in God's life where he had not created us, He is all of His person, always.
Just as the Body, and Mind are separate but still the same entity so is God. My body can be broken, and my Mind certainly knows the pain, but my Mind is not broken, my mind does not need to be healed. This analogy only goes so far I understand.
God exists in paradox. He is above our ways to understand, and so we can only describe God in how he has revealed himself to the world. How has he revealed himself? As God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
For whatever reason, you are here, trying to ask questions, which are very pointed, I don't necessarily know your intentions, but whatever they are, I hope when you ask these questions you are actually listening to the answers, instead of waiting to jump to your next "problem."
God was patient with me, and if you are really searching for Him, I have no doubt you will find Him.
It's a Icon of Nestorius, why get upset about defacing a heretical Icon?
I just am really caught up in the one God concept. How Abraham went from a Pantheon to one God. Just I have a lot of pride being monotheistic and it upsets me that Modalism (which I did not even know was a hersey till I went to an E.O. mission) is not allowed because it was the only way I could view God as a trinity and be a monotheist. I have been stuggling with my firm belief God is one and the seperated trinity which to me just seems wrong.
If I can't reconcile the basics how am I suppose to go any further and attend church again?
I just am really caught up in the one God concept. How Abraham went from a Pantheon to one God. Just I have a lot of pride being monotheistic and it upsets me that Modalism (which I did not even know was a hersey till I went to an E.O. mission) is not allowed because it was the only way I could view God as a trinity and be a monotheist. I have been stuggling with my firm belief God is one and the seperated trinity which to me just seems wrong.
If I can't reconcile the basics how am I suppose to go any further and attend church again?
It sounds to me like you are trying to mold Christianity to your requirements, when it's supposed to be the other way around.
The one true God has revealed Himself as the eternally self-existent "I AM," the Creator of heaven and earth and the Redeemer of mankind. He has further revealed Himself as embodying the principles of relationship and association as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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