trinity idea

[laconicstudent]

My Old Testament is full of hints of the Trinity.

Its always silly when people try and critique the religious texts of other religions, isn't it?

 

[Truth light]

The Christian church. Without Jesus, any concept of the Son would have gone over the head of anyone. With Jesus, or the Son incarnate, we can see that the personas of the Father and Son are seperate. Who knows? Perhaps God may reveal Himself in many more forms in future- He is God, after all, and can appear in as many forms as possible- but for now, he has revealed Himself to be in three forms.

I may say revelaion was to me

 

[Truth light]

My Old Testament is full of hints of the Trinity.

Its always silly when people try and critique the religious texts of other religions, isn't it?

Ask Jews

 

[laconicstudent]

Ask Jews

How is the opinion of a third religion relevant? The Holy Spirit is not with them, but with the Church.

 

[Supreme]

I may say revelaion was to me

The Trinity has been in existence pretty much since the inception of Christianity, so no one around today could make that claim.

 

[Truth light]

The Trinity has been in existence pretty much since the inception of Christianity, so no one around today could make that claim.

 

[peaceful soul]

Ask Jews

When do you see Christians going around calling the OT corrupt and disregarding scriptures that we either don't like or don't agree with. We agree with most of their interpretations, but see the ones pertaining to Christ and the Trinity different, yet they are the same verses. We definitely don't go around berating them for our differences. We have great respect for them and their understanding OT. Muslims, on the other hand, try to vilify them regularly.

 

[Truth light]

When do you see Christians going around calling the OT corrupt and disregarding scriptures that we either don't like or don't agree with. We agree with most of their interpretations, but see the ones pertaining to Christ and the Trinity different, yet they are the same verses. We definitely don't go around berating them for our differences. We have great respect for them and their understanding OT. Muslims, on the other hand, try to vilify them regularly.

 

[semper_virens]

Ask Jews

The first Christians were Jews. Modern Arabic speaking Christians (With the exception of the Copts) and Neo-Aramaic speaking Christians are descendants of the first Jewish Christians.

Modern Judaism also isn't the same as 1st century Judaism. Several times they have changed in reaction to Christianity, such as rejecting books of the bible that they formerly considered holy. At one time they used the Septuagint but after Christ came they rejected it, and a number of books (the "Deuterocanon") written in Greek solely because they were written in Greek during a time that most Jews spoke Greek, despite God never stipulating that his prophets would only speak and write in Hebrew or Aramaic.

Christianity is a "Jewish religion" even if the vast majority of it's members now are not Jews. It didn't come from Rome, Greece, England, Egypt or anywhere else, it came from Jews who apparently did not find it impossible to believe Christ represented the culmination of their religion, which they were better authorities on then anyone today, including modern Jews, could ever be.

 

[Truth light]

The first Christians were Jews. Modern Arabic speaking Christians (With the exception of the Copts) and Neo-Aramaic speaking Christians are descendants of the first Jewish Christians.

Modern Judaism also isn't the same as 1st century Judaism. Several times they have changed in reaction to Christianity, such as rejecting books of the bible that they formerly considered holy. At one time they used the Septuagint but after Christ came they rejected it, and a number of books (the "Deuterocanon") written in Greek solely because they were written in Greek during a time that most Jews spoke Greek, despite God never stipulating that his prophets would only speak and write in Hebrew or Aramaic.

Christianity is a "Jewish religion" even if the vast majority of it's members now are not Jews. It didn't come from Rome, Greece, England, Egypt or anywhere else, it came from Jews who apparently did not find it impossible to believe Christ represented the culmination of their religion, which they were better authorities on then anyone today, including modern Jews, could ever be.

Really convinced

God suddenly become 3 because Christianity is a "Jewish religion"

 

[semper_virens]

Who was the first one who suddenly received that revelation ?!

secret for ALL prophets. they didn't ever heard about it.

Everyone that heard Jesus say he is the Son of God. The twelve Apostles, at least, and many more innumerable. They were prophets, and besides that God spoke himself. Asking what prophet attests that something is true when God speaks himself is as deferring to a servant when the owner of the estate is speaking to you personally.

 

[dlamberth]

Christianity is a "Jewish religion" even if the vast majority of it's members now are not Jews. It didn't come from Rome, Greece, England, Egypt or anywhere else, it came from Jews who apparently did not find it impossible to believe Christ represented the culmination of their religion, which they were better authorities on then anyone today, including modern Jews, could ever be.

I think it important to also note that those first pre-Christian followers of Jesus were not only were Jews, among them they also had a wide array of beliefs and understandings about Jesus. Those first couple of generations of pre-Christians held no clear cut across the board understanding or beliefs about Jesus Christ.

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[Truth light]

Everyone that heard Jesus say he is the Son of God. The twelve Apostles, at least, and many more innumerable. They were prophets, and besides that God spoke himself. Asking what prophet attests that something is true when God speaks himself is as deferring to a servant when the owner of the estate is speaking to you personally.

Don't tell me except what you arw sure of ?!

You quote what you didn't answer ?!

 

[Truth light]

I think it important to also note that those first pre-Christian followers of Jesus were not only were Jews, among them they also had a wide array of beliefs and understandings about Jesus. Those first couple of generations of pre-Christians held no clear cut across the board understanding or beliefs about Jesus Christ.

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when was Nicea council ?

 

[semper_virens]

Really convinced

God suddenly become 3 because Christianity is a "Jewish religion"

You said ask the Jews, and my point which is very clear (and I don't believe you didn't get) is some Jews did believe it, and modern Jews are not a reliable authority on their own tradition in regards to Christianity since they have purposefully changed it in order to undermine Christianity.

 

[semper_virens]

I think it important to also note that those first pre-Christian followers of Jesus were not only were Jews, among them they also had a wide array of beliefs and understandings about Jesus. Those first couple of generations of pre-Christians held no clear cut across the board understanding or beliefs about Jesus Christ.

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Not true. Those who held divergent views did not know Jesus personally, but his Apostles all held the same view and the Bishops that they taught did as well. A good reference for this is Irenaeus. Those who had divergent views did not know Jesus or his Apostles personally, and as is still true today, were those who reject that teaching and stand on the outside and confuse their personal interpretation and inventions for what Jesus taught.

 

[Truth light]

You said ask the Jews, and my point which is very clear (and I don't believe you didn't get) is some Jews did believe it, and modern Jews are not a reliable authority on their own tradition in regards to Christianity since they have purposefully changed it in order to undermine Christianity.

so, God suddenly become 3 because....

 

[Truth light]

Not true. Those who held divergent views did not know Jesus personally, but his Apostles all held the same view and the Bishops that they taught did as well. A good reference for this is Irenaeus. Those who had divergent views did not know Jesus or his Apostles personally, and as is still true today, were those who reject that teaching and stand on the outside and confuse their personal interpretation and inventions for what Jesus taught.

Talking as if anonymous Gospel writers knew Jesus personally

 

[laconicstudent]

so, God suddenly become 3 because....

God has always been triune.

Talking as if anonymous Gospel writers knew Jesus personally

What a brilliant line of argument for saying that they didn't.

 

[Truth light]

God has always been triune..

Revise post 1

What a brilliant line of argument for saying that they didn't

It's a fact. Ask your fathers, thay said