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Talking as if anonymous Gospel writers knew Jesus personally
They are not anonymous, only in postmodern pseudo-science that says that authors that have universally been accredited as the authors of the Gospels since the very beginning are not because people decided they must not be a priori.
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Revise post 1
It's a fact. Ask your fathers, thay said
Wrong, the church Fathers know and state who the authors of every book are. It is not apostolic Christianity which says the authors are unknown but people that reject the traditional attributions for no reason other than the fact that they are religious texts and they think nothing should be accepted as true from them, even if it says who it is written by.
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What Jesus taught and what those who followed afterwards and what they taught are two different things. We can see by the wide array of early Christian writings that there was no clear cut understanding about Jesus among the Jews who followed Him.
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I can't, because it is your post.
It's a fact. Ask your fathers, thay said
The Church Fathers didn't spew such absurdities.
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OF course.
That's why early church rejected John
The early Church didn't reject John. Please see the Canons of the Council of Carthage.
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There are a wide array of early writings purported to be by people following Jesus. That they are all equal is not an established fact. And on the other hand, we have people like Irenaeus and Clement of Antioch who tell us that from the very beginning the Bishops in each town were known, who was a disciple of Jesus and who were disciples of the authentic Apostles, and that people like Marcion who are responsible for the divergent works in fact neither knew Jesus or the Apostles and were not Bishops.
So, ultimately, already within the life times of the Apostles you had people claiming to have an understanding of Jesus that was their own invention and a community of people including Apostles saying they, and specifically who, were wrong.
Yes, you are right then about there being divergent views but when we know there was actually a central church in association with the Apostles that spanned across the entire realm of Christiandom - which said people like Marcion (whose ideas only had a limited and local distribution in accordance with them being their own invention) were not actually part of their community to begin with, presenting it as if there was no agreement and just lots of divergent views is verifiably wrong. It would perhaps be different if any of the authors of gnostic texts were Bishops, or even claimed a direct lineage of teaching to Jesus which someone else recognized, but none of them were or did.
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Impressed to hear such a language
What do you know about love
Lol. You seriously consider "spew" and "absurdities" to be strong language? You do realize this is the second time you've responded to this post, right?
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When did it become wrong to urinate while standing? Why was this only discovered by Muslims? All nations before and after don't accept it.
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Actually, you owe an apology for your fathers
No, I don't. Someday hopefully all men will discover the True Faith that they have passed down: worship of the triune God.
As for me, at the end of every Liturgy, we all sing "We have found the True Faith, worshiping the undivided Trinity...."
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You have 0 understanding of the matter, and you're proud of it.
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WHAT??
Look, this is why persons of one Faith shouldn't presume to teach about a different Faith.
1. There were NOT generations of pre-Christians, let alone a couple of them.
2. ALL the Apostles had a VERY "clear cut across the board understanding" about not only Jesus Christ, but the whole Gospel.
3. This is the significance of Paul. You might consider checking into this some day. Or not. But please don't run around thinking you can speak for the Bible w/o making a mess of it, ok?
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