Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
They are using older manuscripts. Older = more reliable.
A trinitarian brother on another thread refused to answer this question.
Can anybody give me an answer?
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD*God made the earth and the heavens,
* יְהֹוָה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.
One of the best arguments against teh Johannine comma is the fact that Ante-Nicene fathers did NOT quote it.But I think you didn't really read my post carefully I showed that many of the Znti-Nicean fathers and so called church fathers quoted the textus receptors often in their writings way before the so called older manuscripts were found
Never. The King James version is one of the worst translations out there. I'll stick to the New American Bible.This being the case your entire argument falls to the ground and you should get a good king James Bible and beer use another one
Huh? The majority of scholars are against you. You have only a minority of scholars, a severe minority of scholars, who agree with you.If you have 5308 people all agreeing together and you have a few old men who disagree among themselves who will you listen to ?
I showed you that it was quoted around 250 ad and that should have silenced your argument but no you , like all who try to hide from truth that exposed them in error will grasp at straws and ask things like "what if" or "maybe" question, doubt , cast false concern about it etc.One of the best arguments against teh Johannine comma is the fact that Ante-Nicene fathers did NOT quote it.
The Textus Receptus, Majority Text are about 5308 the so called older text are about a handful and two main onesHuh? The majority of scholars are against you. You have only a minority of scholars, a severe minority of scholars, who agree with you.
They are using older manuscripts. Older = more reliable.
You provided one instance, which had NO CITATION. It is more likely to be the source of the johannine comma than the other way round, given that no other author quotes the comma.I showed you that it was quoted around 250 ad and that should have silenced your argument but no you , like all who try to hide from truth that exposed them in error will grasp at straws and ask things like "what if" or "maybe" question, doubt , cast false concern about it etc.
The point is not how many, but which are the oldest.The Textus Receptus, Majority Text are about 5308 the so called older text are about a handful and two main ones
The point is not how many, but which are the oldest.
Cyprian quoteYou provided one instance, which had NO CITATION. It is more likely to be the source of the johannine comma than the other way round, given that no other author quotes the comma.
You provided one instance, which had NO CITATION. It is more likely to be the source of the johannine comma than the other way round, given that no other author quotes the comma.
Actually only the gospels were translated that early into the peshitta. The rest of the NT was not translated into Syriac until the start of the 5th century. The Vulgate was written in 382. I couldn't find anything substantial about an "OLD" latin vulgate or italic bible except references on KJV only websites, so I'm duly suspicious.
- Textus Receptus agrees with the earliest versions of the Bible: Peshitta (AD150) Old Latin Vulgate (AD157), the Italic Bible (AD157) etc. These Bibles were produced some 200 years before the minority Egyptian codices favoured by the Roman Church. Remember this vital point.
If you all had the Holy Spirit then you wouldn't have to search for the oldest texts, the Lord would just reveal it to you.
Some think that being in the majority is a good thing!!? Show me ONE time in ALL of scriptures where the TRUE way was popular?
No, all true believers have the anointing which teaches them all things. But Holy scripture was also given by the Spirit and so we are told to study to show ourselves approved unto God and to prove all things as we walk in that anoiinting
I'll show you a few verses
"11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." (Revelation 5:11-13)
Rediculous. God gave us brains for a reason: he expects us to use them.If you all had the Holy Spirit then you wouldn't have to search for the oldest texts, the Lord would just reveal it to you.
I would argue there is precedent from scripture. Clearly it calls for us to be One Body and pray for one another- even pray without ceasing. After spending our life here praying for others, especially for the faithful, it should seem at least odd to imagine those who have gone on to the next life our suddenly released from that responsibility of offering up prays for others.There is no precedent in it for the Bible! NEVER did ANYONE ever pray to anyone but God. Paul said though an angel from heaven tell you something other than what I have taught you, let him be accursed. Paul never taught praying to Saints.
The Bible says not to add one word to or take one word from, or your name will be taken from the book... There is not one word saying to pray to Saints, therefore your church has added it. I'll stick with the scriptures on this.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?