Trinitarianism: What Non-Trinitarians Believe

[joneysd]

did anyone answer who Jesus is if he isn't God , sure its not the arch angel micheal...

 

[Gibs]

did anyone answer who Jesus is if he isn't God , sure its not the arch angel micheal...

Jesus has many names and Michael, means one like God.

The Son of God of course is the Great Prince,

Da 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

He stands in our place and we are seen righteous in Him.

 

[joneysd]

Jesus has many names and Michael, means one like God.

The Son of God of course is the Great Prince,

Da 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

He stands in our place and we are seen righteous in Him.

why would God make the only way to be saved through an angel...that makes no sense.

 

[Gibs]

why would God make the only way to be saved through an angel...that makes no sense.

Because for me He is God's Angel, a Son and Only Son who was the opposite of Satan. The highest is Heaven after the Father. He is God's Archangel! Ah, yes, The Great Prince who stands in our place!

 

[2ducklow]

did anyone answer who Jesus is if he isn't God , sure its not the arch angel micheal...

yea I did a while back. I believe Jesus is the last adam, the new human creation of God. Jesus is the result of new human male seed that God used to begat Jesus with, and with which Mary was able to conceive. Jesus is thus the literal son of God, and the literal son of Mary. It was Mary's egg that was fertilized by the new human male seed that God created and begat Jesus with.
Thus I do not believe he is God, I believe he is a man. God is a spirit, Jesus is not, he is a man of flesh and blood.

Jesus is sinless because he was not begotten by man. and sin is passed from the father to the son or daughter because it's in the blood. we all get our blood from our Fathers and not from our mothers.

 

[joneysd]

yea I did a while back. I believe Jesus is the last adam, the new human creation of God. Jesus is the result of new human male seed that God used to begat Jesus with, and with which Mary was able to conceive. Jesus is thus the literal son of God, and the literal son of Mary. It was Mary's egg that was fertilized by the new human male seed that God created and begat Jesus with.
Thus I do not believe he is God, I believe he is a man. God is a spirit, Jesus is not, he is a man of flesh and blood.

Jesus is sinless because he was not begotten by man. and sin is passed from the father to the son or daughter because it's in the blood. we all get our blood from our Fathers and not from our mothers.

oh the mormons believe God had sex with Mary but apparently t was ok because God married Mary too...

 

[THIS]

Sure, This, Jesus could rightly state, I am the first and last, as it is made clear that The Father came and dwelt in Him in ALL fullness. He truly was God the Father with us in a body of flesh. He was the body prepared for that!

Except, you think that Jesus only existed after being born to Mary; except, you do not think that Jesus existed in heaven before coming to earth.

Except, you think a mere man became God, instead of the truth that God became a Man.

You have to deny some scriptures to believe as you do.

 

[Gibs]

Mt 1:18 ¶ Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Mt 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

 

[THIS]

[FONT=&quot]Certainly, Jesus can be called The Spirit, as The Father dwells in Him in ALL fullness.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]At least you are closer to the truth than the trinity believers are.[/FONT]

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Paul cinches this is true as when ALL things are under His feet, then our Father may be ALL IN ALL, yes finally!

1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL

Our Father has no more need for all eternity of extending Himself for a Redeemer,[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In 1 Corinthians 15:25, it says Jesus must REIGN UNTIL HE has put all his enemies under his feet.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In 1 Corinthians 15:24, it says Jesus will hand the kingdom to God the Father, after he [Jesus] has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Since the scriptures also say JESUS' KINGDOM WILL HAVE NO END, and the scripture also says Jesus will reign UNTIL...that shows us Jesus was God before coming to earth, he was God ALWAYS while on earth, and he is God in heaven now.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Luke 1:33 and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end."[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jesus is, and was always God, God with a body, a body before coming to earth, a human body while on earth, and back to his Spiritual body after ascending to heaven.[/FONT]

We will be as Jesus is in his Spiritual resurrected body. There will be no need for any Man to be over us in that time...for we will be as Jesus is.

 

[Gibs]

Except, you think that Jesus only existed after being born to Mary; except, you do not think that Jesus existed in heaven before coming to earth.

Except, you think a mere man became God, instead of the truth that God became a Man.

You have to deny some scriptures to believe as you do.

For sure and without doubt He was not, until He was conceived in His Mother, "made of woman" the scripture states.

Then and only then did God have His one and Only Beloved Begotten Son of Woman and so True His Son!

 

[THIS]

Mt 1:18 ¶ Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Mt 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

[FONT=&quot]If Jesus were a man who became God, then how is it that Jesus CAME FROM HEAVEN?[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]John 6:62[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before![/FONT]

 

[THIS]

For sure and without doubt He was not, until He was conceived in His Mother, "made of woman" the scripture states.

Then and only then did God have His one and Only Beloved Begotten Son of Woman and so True His Son!

You would have to deny many scriptures to believe as you do.

Do not be afraid believe what is written.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[THIS]

yea I did a while back. I believe Jesus is the last adam, the new human creation of God. Jesus is the result of new human male seed that God used to begat Jesus with, and with which Mary was able to conceive. Jesus is thus the literal son of God, and the literal son of Mary. It was Mary's egg that was fertilized by the new human male seed that God created and begat Jesus with.
Thus I do not believe he is God, I believe he is a man. God is a spirit, Jesus is not, he is a man of flesh and blood.

Jesus is sinless because he was not begotten by man. and sin is passed from the father to the son or daughter because it's in the blood. we all get our blood from our Fathers and not from our mothers.

A man did not become God that is impossible.

God became a Man.

The scriptures show us that Jesus existed in heaven before coming to earth.

 

[THIS]

Because for me He is God's Angel, a Son and Only Son who was the opposite of Satan. The highest is Heaven after the Father. He is God's Archangel! Ah, yes, The Great Prince who stands in our place!

You are so confused. You say that Jesus did not exist until being born to Mary, then you say Jesus was an Angel in heaven before coming to earth.

Jesus is God. It was Jesus speaking in the Old Testament. It is God come as a Man in the New Testament.

 

[Gibs]

[FONT=&quot]If Jesus were a man who became God, then how is it that Jesus CAME FROM HEAVEN?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]John 6:62[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before![/FONT]

I have explained that before, It is the incarnate of the Father it is speaking of, Yahweh, or LORD of Hosts is who is fully in Christ!

 

[Gibs]

I have explained that before, It is the incarnate of the Father it is speaking of, Yahweh, or LORD of Hosts is who is fully in Christ!

Jesus can speak also as the one incarnated in Him and does a lot and also He speaks as a man that He is.

 

[Gibs]

You would have to deny many scriptures to believe as you do.

Do not be afraid believe what is written.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

When you have it rightly assembled no scripture denies another. In the way you hold to some it only appears that way.

 

[Gibs]

When you have it rightly assembled no scripture denies another. In the way you hold to some it only appears that way.

Again, This, it is the one incarnated in Jesus who is the Archangel.

 

[THIS]

Gibs, you are denying God's Truth.

 

[Norah63]

The longer you play, the longer they stay.... Just saying.
Non-trinitarians believe many things, and the freedom to do that is God given.