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And who was it that determined that the Holy Spirit was a third person? Answer: The Catholic Church.
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Because we don't have a problem with "God is only." There is [only] one God. The Father is God but He is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. The Son is God but He is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God but He is not the Son or the Father. There is one God.
Most Christians today understand the scriptures themselves and do not rely on anyone, esteemed or not, to program anything.
הלוך את־חכמים וחכם ורעה כסילים ירוע׃
. . . Yahshua says the Father is greater than him. That would mean that they are not equally the same.
The correct spelling and pronouncing of God's name as Yahwah, is based on the fact that the Proto-Semitic did not use the letter e as a vowel. Yahwah is the trans-literal into English. Yahuah is pronounced the same as Yahwah, and it is the same name.
Phi 2:6 In God's own form existed he, And shared with God equality, Deemed nothing needed grasping.
You used the words El and Elohim several times in this post. Elohim occurs 2334 times in the OT and El occurs 307 times.
Somebody has given you false information. How could Elohim or El be pronounced as they are if there was no "letter e as a vowel?" Please provide your source for this information? Here is information from the Jewish Encyclopedia showing the correct pronunciation of יהוה/YHWH. It is not Yahuah or Yahwah!
Jewish Encyclopedia-Names of God
In appearance, Yhwh (יהוה) is the third person singular imperfect "kal" of the verb ( הוה ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being,probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person"I am" (אהיה, from ( היה, the later equivalent of the archaic stem ( הוה). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "hai Yhwh" (= "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).
If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh ((יהוה) or Yahaweh (יהוה). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (יה ) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (יהו ), and Jo or Yo (יו contracted from יהו , which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (יהו ) in the second part of such names. The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry יהוה rimes with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name Iαβέ. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces 'Iαουέ or 'Iαουαί, and Origen, 'Iα. Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as Ιαωουηε. At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render κύριος ("the Lord").
Jewish Encyclopedia online
Originally in ancient Hebrew the word for God would have been translated as IL. Not until after the second century AD was it changed to EL.
The name of God was removed from the New Testament by the Catholics.
Where do you see the name of God in the New Testament, from the disciples quoting scriptures that contain the name of God?Please provide your evidence for this. Second request.
There is no, zero, none manuscript evidence for this assertion. There are parts of NT manuscripts dating to the 1st century. None of the existing manuscripts have El, Elohim or Yahweh. There was no "Catholic church" with a pope in Rome at its head until 1075. At that time Hildebrand the bishop of Rome issued 27 Dictatus Papae, Papal dictates, and unilaterally usurped authority over the total church. Until that tim eht bishop of Rome ahd no more authority than any other bishop. Here a few of those dictates.
2. That the Roman pontiff alone can with right be called universal.
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8. That he alone may use the imperial insignia.
9. That of the pope alone all princes shall kiss the feet.
10. That his name alone shall be spoken in the churches.
11. That this is the only name in the world.
12. That it may be permitted to him to depose emperors.
...
19. That he himself may be judged by no one.
Internet History Sourcebooks Project
Do you see God's personal name being used in your bible? Hebrews 2:12
He says, I will declare your name to my brothers and sisters; in the assembly I will sing your praises.
Mark 12:28. One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus (Yahshua) had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"
29"The most important one," answered Jesus (Yahshua), "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, [the Lord / Yahwah] our [God / Elohiym], [the Lord / Yahwah] is [one (only).
Yahwah's name was in the original New Testament scriptures [Wrong! DA]
After killing Hebrew Christians, the Jews would take the New testament scripture written in Hebrew, and carefully cut the name of God out. Then they would place the divine name in a safe place to keep. Following that, they then would burn the remainder of the scrolls in a fire. Rabbi Yose who lived during the second century AD states that, "One cuts out the reference to the Divine Name which are in them [the New Testament writings] and stores them away, and the rest burns." One of his characteristic sayings is, "He who proclaimed the coming of the Messiah,[John] and he who hated scholars [Yahshua] and his disciples; and that false prophet and those slanderers, will have no part in the future world." According to Wilhelm Bacher this was directed against the Hebrew Christians. [Nonsense! Antisemitic diatribe with no, zero, none, evidence! DA]
And so it is an established fact then, that the disciples of Christ did in fact write the Holy Name of God into the original New Testament.
Phi 2:6 In God's own form existed he, And shared with God equality, Deemed nothing needed grasping.
You used the words El and Elohim several times in this post. Elohim occurs 2334 times in the OT and El occurs 307 times.
Somebody has given you false information. How could Elohim or El be pronounced as they are if there was no "letter e as a vowel?" Please provide your source for this information? Here is information from the Jewish Encyclopedia showing the correct pronunciation of יהוה/YHWH. It is not Yahuah or Yahwah!
Jewish Encyclopedia-Names of God
In appearance, Yhwh (יהוה) is the third person singular imperfect "kal" of the verb ( הוה ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being,probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person"I am" (אהיה, from ( היה, the later equivalent of the archaic stem ( הוה). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "hai Yhwh" (= "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).
If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh ((יהוה) or Yahaweh (יהוה). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (יה ) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (יהו ), and Jo or Yo (יו contracted from יהו , which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (יהו ) in the second part of such names. The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry יהוה rimes with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name Iαβέ. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces 'Iαουέ or 'Iαουαί, and Origen, 'Iα. Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as Ιαωουηε. At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render κύριος ("the Lord").
Jewish Encyclopedia online
The Babylonian Talmud was written between 200 AD and 500 AD. My source about God's name dates to the first century AD.You saying something is an established fact does not make it do. I keep asking for evidence you just keep making unsupported assertions.
Here is what the Talmud actually says about the divine name in Christian writings.
Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Shabbath Folio 116a-
Come and hear: The blank spaces15 and the Books of the Minim16 may not be saved from a fire, but they must be burnt in their place, they and the Divine Names occurring in them.
Babylonian Talmud: Shabbath 116
My previous rebuttal of your Yahwah argument which you ignored. I'm still waiting for evidence.
The Babylonian Talmud was written between 200 AD and 500 AD. My source about God's name dates to the first century AD.
I do not know what your problem is, but you are over looking the facts that I present. THE ANCIENT HEBREW LANGUAGE HAD NO LETTER E EQUIVALANT FOR A VOWEL.
Early Aramaic and Hebrew vowels
The early Aramaic and Hebrew vowel system is reconstructed as a o i u
Summary
The following charts summarize the most common reflexes of the Proto-Semitic vowels in the various stages of Hebrew:
Proto-Semitic: a, i, u.
Proto-Hebrew: a, o, i, u.
Secunda: a, o, i, u.
Tiberian: ɔ, o, i, u.
Babylonian: ɔ, o, i, u.
Palestinian: a, o, i, u.
Samaritan: ( a, ɒ,) u, ( e, i,) (o, u.)
Here is a good resource for you: David Steinberg's Home Page
You have yet to present any evidence for anything. You just keep making the same assertions over and over. You might want to check your facts on the Talmud. I cannot find the "charts" you show above at the link you provided.
[/quote]The Babylonian Talmud was written between 200 AD and 500 AD. My source about God's name dates to the first century AD.
I do not know what your problem is, but you are over looking the facts that I present. THE ANCIENT HEBREW LANGUAGE HAD NO LETTER E EQUIVALANT FOR A VOWEL.
Early Aramaic and Hebrew vowels
The early Aramaic and Hebrew vowel system is reconstructed as a o i u
Summary
The following charts summarize the most common reflexes of the Proto-Semitic vowels in the various stages of Hebrew:
Proto-Semitic: a, i, u.
Proto-Hebrew: a, o, i, u.
Secunda: a, o, i, u.
Tiberian: ɔ, o, i, u.
Babylonian: ɔ, o, i, u.
Palestinian: a, o, i, u.
Samaritan: ( a, ɒ,) u, ( e, i,) (o, u.)
Here is a good resource for you: David Steinberg's Home Page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_HebrewThe following charts summarize the most common reflexes of the Proto-Semitic vowels in the various stages of Hebrew:
Proto-Semitic
Proto-Hebrew
Secunda
Tiberian
Babylonian
Palestinian
Samaritan1
*aː
*aː aː ɔ a a, ɒ
*oː oː o u
*iː
*iː iː i e, i
*uː
*uː uː u o, u4
http://www.jamshid-ibrahim.net/148.0.htmlProto-Semitic Sounds and Their Development in the Languages
The Proto-Semitic sound system had three short vowels, a, i, u, and three corresponding long vowels, , , ; these vowels are preserved essentially unchanged in classical Arabic but have undergone numerous developments in most of the other Semitic languages, both ancient and modern.
http://yehweh.org/profiles/blogs/ancient-hebrew-alphabet-chartHere is specifically how our Ancient Hebrew pronunciations are different -
1) The letter named BaT (MJH bet) has a B sound only, and not [bh] or [v] as well.
2) The letter named EA (MJH he) is a vowel-letter E with an [eh] sound and never an H sound (otherwise there would be two H sounds (he and het) in the alphabet and that is inefficient). Also any type of H sound whether it be throaty or not is formed by the closing of the back of the throat. The vocal tract is divided. The letter named CHaTS (MJH het) means "divide" so there would be no point having two letters with the same division of the throat, when only one of these letters (CHaTS) means "divide".
http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/proto-semitic-language/references.htmlProto-Semitic is the hypothetical proto-language of the Semitic languages
I will mark the sources and quotes in red for you. Let me know if that is helpful for you?
After killing Hebrew Christians, the Jews would take the New testament scripture written in Hebrew, and carefully cut the name of God out. Then they would place the divine name in a safe place to keep. Following that, they then would burn the remainder of the scrolls in a fire. Rabbi Yose who lived during the second century AD states that, "One cuts out the reference to the Divine Name which are in them [the New Testament writings] and stores them away, and the rest burns." One of his characteristic sayings is, "He who proclaimed the coming of the Messiah,[John] and he who hated scholars [Yahshua] and his disciples; and that false prophet and those slanderers, will have no part in the future world." According to Wilhelm Bacher this was directed against the Hebrew Christians.
You saying something is an established fact does not make it do. I keep asking for evidence you just keep making unsupported assertions.
Here is what the Talmud actually says about the divine name in Christian writings.
Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Shabbath Folio 116a-
Come and hear: The blank spaces15 and the Books of the Minim[followers of Jesus] 16 may not be saved from a fire, but they must be burnt in their place, they and the Divine Names occurring in them.
Babylonian Talmud: Shabbath 116
My previous rebuttal of your Yahwah argument which you ignored. I'm still waiting for evidence.
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