Trinitarianism: What Non-Trinitarians Believe

Gibs · Jul 19, 2014

2ducklow said:
The indisputable facts are these. Christians know God and Jesus through having the Holy spirit, God and Jesus know us through the Holy Spirit. I think most everyone can agree on that.

God knows us better than we know ourselves as we are prone to deceive ourselves with error.

THIS · Jul 19, 2014

Gibs said:
Jesus has a man spirit and also since the union of Yahweh of Hosts there dwells in Him in ALL the fullness the Spirit of God.

God is His Father and His God because He is the man child born of Mary!

Jesus has clearly and plainly told you God is His Father and his God so it has to be that it is the Father that dwells in Him!

Please reason these things out.

I'm spending too much time fussing with you as we are getting nowhere.

I can see you are determined as so am I so it may as well be dropped, this thread has become a troll and you I think can see that~

You speak evilness.

Speaking God's Word is never as being a troll.

There might be someone reading God's Truth that I write, and glad to hear it.

Gibs · Jul 20, 2014

Sister, This, run on and have fun. Our discussion is ended.

THIS · Jul 20, 2014

Are you saved? If you are saved, do you have Jesus HIMSELF living inside you?

Do you think that you have a man's spirit living inside you, BESIDES YOUR OWN SPIRIT?

NO. We do not receive the spirit of a Man.

You keep wrongly teaching that Jesus was a mere man who became God.

Jesus IS God come as a Man.

Those saved are NOT given another spirit of a man to be with them forever.

We are given the Spirit of God.

Jesus is God.

We are given the Spirit of Christ who is God.

THIS · Jul 20, 2014

We already know that the trinity doctrine is false because the trinity doctrine says the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct and separate. We know that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, and therefore is God.

The scriptures also say that Jesus is the Spirit.

Since we know that Jesus is the Spirit, we know that Jesus is God.

THIS · Jul 20, 2014

Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same.

God pours out the Holy Spirit THROUGH JESUS. See Titus 3:6. whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

God pours out the Holy Spirit THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT. God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. See Romans 5:5.

God poured out the Holy Spirit through Jesus in one of the scriptures, and the other says God poured out the Holy Spirit THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

This confirms that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same.

THIS · Jul 20, 2014

The Spirit of Jesus Christ lives in us.

Ephesians 3:17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love,

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father."

Ephesians 3:17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love,

Philippians 1:19 for I know that through your prayers and the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.

Jesus is the Christ. The Christ is the Spirit of God.

1 John 4:2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

1 John 5:1
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.

The scriptures say Jesus is the Christ. The scriptures do not say what others here say, and that is that the Spirit of God merely indwelled Jesus. Jesus is the Christ.

The Spirit of God did not just return back to heaven---Jesus himself returned back to heaven.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Gibs · Jul 20, 2014

Sister This, troll away, I leave you, by.

2ducklow · Jul 20, 2014

sometimes it's fun to talk to oneself. One can learn a lot that way. Hey I do, plus I seldom flame myself.

THIS · Jul 20, 2014

The Lord rebuke you.

Gibs · Jul 20, 2014

2ducklow said:
sometimes it's fun to talk to oneself. One can learn a lot that way. Hey I do, plus I seldom flame myself.

Yes on "self" we must keep him down and crucified and not allow him any rising up.

Norah63 · Jul 20, 2014

Temptations may come, yet there is always a way of escape.
Love covers a multitude of sins.
Fellowship among the saints is a wonderful thing, however they see the truth.
Little or much, it is all a blessing.
Thanks gibs and duck, its been real.
See ya on another thread.

Gibs · Jul 20, 2014

Norah63 said:
Temptations may come, yet there is always a way of escape.
Love covers a multitude of sins.
Fellowship among the saints is a wonderful thing, however they see the truth.
Little or much, it is all a blessing.
Thanks gibs and duck, its been real.
See ya on another thread.

Thanks, Norah63, following His Precious Infallible Word is our way and the Way He has made for our Salvation is clear and forthright and the Only Way to walk in.

Yah Be with you Always.

CherubRam · Jul 23, 2014

There is only One God.

Trinitarianism in Judaism is a sin punishable by death. Trinitarianism has never been a belief in Judaism.

Joshua 22:22
The One Mighty God, Yahwah! The One Mighty God, Yahwah! He knows! And let Israel know! If this has been in rebellion or disobedience to Yahwah, do not spare us this day.

2 Kings 19:15
And Hezekiah prayed to the Lord: Lord, the God of Israel, enthroned between the cherubim, you alone are God over all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.

2 Kings 19:19
Now, Lord our God, deliver us from his hand, so that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you alone, Lord, are God.

Nehemiah 9:6
You alone are Yahwah. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.

Psalm 50:1
A psalm of Asaph. The One Mighty God, Yahwah, speaks and summons the earth from the rising of the sun to where it sets.

Psalm 83:18
Let them know that you, whose name is Yahwah that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Psalm 86:10
For you are great and do marvelous deeds; you alone are God.

Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father ? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?

Malachi 2:15
Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit. And what does the one God seek? Godly offspring. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful to the wife of your youth.

Romans 3:30
since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Messiah Yashua, for whom all things came and through whom we live.

Ephesians 4:6
one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Messiah Yashua,

James 2:19
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatand shudder.

Revelation 15:4
Who will not fear you, Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy.

Gibs · Jul 23, 2014

For sure and I have always liked these also to add to what you have posted and there is so many more too that are also very relevant,

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

CherubRam · Jul 23, 2014

Gibs said:
For sure and I have always liked these also to add to what you have posted and there is so many more too that are also very relevant,

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

With the great multitude of scriptures that say God is only, I wonder how it is that we have failed to make it clear to the Trinitarians?

Der Alte · Jul 23, 2014

CherubRam said:
With the great multitude of scriptures that say God is only, I wonder how it is that we have failed to make it clear to the Trinitarians?

Because we don't have a problem with "God is only." There is [only] one God. The Father is God but He is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. The Son is God but He is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God but He is not the Son or the Father. There is one God.

Gibs · Jul 23, 2014

CherubRam said:
With the great multitude of scriptures that say God is only, I wonder how it is that we have failed to make it clear to the Trinitarians?

The scriptures that we have posted and for the Trinitarians that have visited the thread just refuse to understand the straight forward declarations of Yah Himself. The scriptures declare that He is a Spirit and He came in Jesus Christ and so Jesus was not another God but was truly God the Father with us in a body of flesh and scripture makes that very clear also that Jesus was the body prepared, made of woman, Mary in the fullness of time and Lord, Yahweh of Hosts performed that union, It states, "the zeal of LORD of Hosts performed this" Isa 9:7

The death of Jesus on the cross proves He was a man as God cannot be killed, we know that Yahweh of Hosts in Him resided at the gave site and raised Him.

The Messianic Jew sees this aright and also many of us but the Trinity belief came in, in the first break off into postasy.

So very many Christians today do not for themselves understand the scriptures and rely on someone they hold in esteem to program their belief.

Der Alte · Jul 23, 2014

Gibs said:
The scriptures that we have posted and for the Trinitarians that have visited the thread just refuse to understand the straight forward declarations of Yah Himself. The scriptures declare that He is a Spirit and He came in Jesus Christ and so Jesus was not another God but was truly God the Father with us in a body of flesh and scripture makes that very clear also that Jesus was the body prepared, made of woman, Mary in the fullness of time and Lord, Yahweh of Hosts performed that union, It states, "the zeal of LORD of Hosts performed this" Isa 9:7

The death of Jesus on the cross proves He was a man as God cannot be killed, we know that Yahweh of Hosts in Him resided at the gave site and raised Him.

The Messianic Jew sees this aright and also many of us but the Trinity belief came in, in the first break off into postasy.

So very many Christians today do not for themselves understand the scriptures and rely on someone they hold in esteem to program their belief.

Most Christians today understand the scriptures themselves and do not rely on anyone, esteemed or not, to program anything.

הלוך את־חכמים וחכם ורעה כסילים ירוע׃

CherubRam · Jul 23, 2014

Gibs said:
The scriptures that we have posted and for the Trinitarians that have visited the thread just refuse to understand the straight forward declarations of Yah Himself. The scriptures declare that He is a Spirit and He came in Jesus Christ and so Jesus was not another God but was truly God the Father with us in a body of flesh and scripture makes that very clear also that Jesus was the body prepared, made of woman, Mary in the fullness of time and Lord, Yahweh of Hosts performed that union, It states, "the zeal of LORD of Hosts performed this" Isa 9:7

The death of Jesus on the cross proves He was a man as God cannot be killed, we know that Yahweh of Hosts in Him resided at the gave site and raised Him.

The Messianic Jew sees this aright and also many of us but the Trinity belief came in, in the first break off into postasy.

So very many Christians today do not for themselves understand the scriptures and rely on someone they hold in esteem to program their belief.

A Body You Prepared For Me

Psalm 40:6 Some Hebrew and Septuagint manuscripts: but a body you prepared for me

Hebrews 10: 5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;

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