Trinitarian versus Modalism

[Rescued One]

Permit me to elaborate the Oneness view in relation to Modalism, not all the time of non-distinction of the Godhead circle, during the Incarnation the Son becomes distinct from the Father as the humanity of Jesus distinct from the deity of the Father.

The Son was and is always God!

 

[Marcial Taguic]

The Son was and is always God!

In Oneness this is the harmonize pattern of Incarnation, Jesus humanity is the additional nature of alone God, His humanity did not have the access to the full attributes of God(Father). As the scriptures say the Son does not know His second coming but only the Father, and further Jesus only followed the Father’s will, instead of his will.

 

[Rescued One]

You cannot deny the Trinity at this site. The moderators will remove your posts.

 

[Marcial Taguic]

You cannot deny the Trinity at this site. The moderators will remove your posts.

Where is the site I am eligible to post?

 

[Marcial Taguic]

You cannot deny the Trinity at this site. The moderators will remove your posts.

Is this thread Trinitarian Vs Modalism? Better change this name Trinitarian Vs Trinitarian...

 

[Rescued One]

Is this thread Trinitarian Vs Modalism? Better change this name Trinitarian Vs Trinitarian...

I apologize.

Here are some problems with modalism:

God the Father did not become His Son.

The Son did not pray to Himelf.

When the Son was baptized, He was not a ventriloquist.

When the Son was crucified, He did not cry out to Himself.

Mary did not become pregnant by her son.

Who raised Christ from the dead? Answer: The Triune God!

God does not have a split-personality.

 

[Rescued One]

“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, [para seautōo] with the glory which I had [eichon] with You [para soi] before the world was” (emphasis added). John 17:5

Christ was sent by the Father.

John 3
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


John 6
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Revelation 1 : 17-18 — The one God who was the first and the last died and rose again!
7. Hebrews 1 : 1, 2, 8 — God the Father calls the Son, "God."
8. Acts 5 : 3-4 --Peter calls the Holy Spirit, "God."
9. John 6 : 27 --Jesus calls the Father, "God."

Triune God

Each person is a self-aware subject who relates to each of the other two as "another."

All Persons of the Godhead are fully God.

Hebrews 1 : 1, 2, 8 — God the Father calls the Son, "God."
8. Acts 5 : 3-4 --Peter calls the Holy Spirit, "God."
9. John 6 : 27 --Jesus calls the Father, "God."

All three were manifested at the same time at the Son's baptism.


The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are able to:

(A) Send or be sent by one another (John 3:17, 10:36, 14:23-26, 15:26, 16:7).

(B) Speak to each other (John 17:1-26, Romans 8:26-27, Hebrews 1:7-8) and about each other (Matthew 17:5, Mark 1:11, John 8:13-18).

(C) The Father and Son love and honor each other (John 3:35, 5:20, 14:31).

The Trinity doctrine -- that there is one God in three Persons -- summarizes these biblical truths without adding or subtracting anything from them.

Above information gleaned from internet sources.

 

[Noxot]

The best I can tell of it...

The omnimax of God gives birth to God. God is born from himself. God is always giving birth to himself. All things were made through the word. We find the all in the Son. In the psalms he said there was no one to deliver him so he delivered himself.

it makes no sense to me that the Holy Spirit would only proceed from the father. The son already contains the otherness or emptiness of everything he is because of this crucifixion, this denial of God's Freedom gave us our own. The lamb was slain before the foundation of the world and we were subject to vanity and frustration in hope.

He said he must go away if the holy spirit is to come. but he also breathed on the disciples and said receive ye the Holy Spirit. the holy spirit is the unity of the love of the father to the Son and the son to the father.

So we have the father as the Omnimax, the son is always being born of him and overflowing with the all. in being manifest what is not God also is manifest of which the son saves and gathers to himself, bringing his chicks born from the death and birth of him into the final Unity of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Noxot]

I see God as a twin of divine love and wisdom and divine wisdom and love, because I don't see hierarchy in the highest reality, only love and fellowship because God is equal to God. The third person is contained in the first two. 1+2=3

The son has affection for the father and father for the son. the two have known each other for I don't know how long because there's no such thing as time compared to them. They have known each other for eternity. They are the eternity of reality. There must be two so that one can love another. There must be a third because the first two must fully unite forever. But the first two must remain forever uniting and being fully United. so the father gives birth to the Son and the son gives birth to the father. Forever in eternal love, which is why creatures were created, For the Love of their Everlasting Kingdom.

If you draw three simple circles you can see how they naturally make 7 distinctions when you join them together and yet have them remain outside each other as well. 3+4=7. That is the seven spirits of God.

So the descending and ascending of reality is the father giving birth to his son and the son giving birth to his father.