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Trinitarian formula????????

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ezek33

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Jesus told the Disciples/Apostles to baptized in the singular name of the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Yet the Apostles did not use the Trinitarian formula of baptizing. Do you think that the Apostle blatantly disobeyed Jesus, misunderstood what He was saying, or knew that the singular name of the Father, Son and holy Spirit was Jesus?

This is how the Original Church in Acts baptized people, any deviation from the way the Apostles baptized is incorrect.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Acts 8 :16 For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.


The didache oppose scripture because it deviates from the way the Church of the Apostles baptized their converts which is in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and that name is a singular name, that singular name is Jesus. The Trinitarian formula of Baptism in unbiblical at best.
 
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The context of those scriptures has already been pointed out by another poster. Reading Comprehension is a good thing. The Didache itself was written by the disciples and disciples of the disciples. It in no way contradicts the scriptures. Both the scriptures and the Didache contradict your understanding but that is not the fault of the texts.
 
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The didache does contradict scripture and no one has pointed out the context of those scriptures, they have simply attempted to explain away the truth. The Bible says exactly what is means and means exactly what it says, and when it says that the Apostles baptized their converts in the name of Jesus that is exactly what they did period, and any deviation is a deviation from truth.
 
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Alright friend. Fruitful discussion cannot be had when common sense and contextual reading are treated as enemies. I'm bowing out of this thread.
 
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Alright friend. Fruitful discussion cannot be had when common sense and contextual reading are treated as enemies. I'm bowing out of this thread.
When one cannot defend their doctrine with truth and or scripture, just give an insult and bow out, how dignified.
 
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When one cannot defend their doctrine with truth and or scripture, just give an insult and bow out, how dignified.

You have called a direct command from God Himself a "doctrine of men". What more is there to say really? You have absolutely no interest in finding the truth. You just want to be right.
 
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Did you not read the other post?

The Trinitarian formula was not added to Matthew 28:19 by Constantine in 325.

Ignatius, ca 110
For those things which the prophets announced, saying, “Until He come for whom it is reserved, and He shall be the expectation of the Gentiles,” have been fulfilled in the Gospel, [our Lord saying,] “Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” (Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Philadelphians, 9.2)

Irenaeus, ca 170
And again, giving to the disciples the power of regeneration into God, He said to them, Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book III, chap 17.1)

Tertullian, ca 200
Accordingly, after one of these had been struck off, He commanded the eleven others, on His departure to the Father, to go and teach all nations, who were to be baptized into the Father, and into the Son, and into the Holy Ghost. (Tertullian, Prescription Against the Heretics, 20)
 
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You have called a direct command from God Himself a "doctrine of men". What more is there to say really? You have absolutely no interest in finding the truth. You just want to be right.
The command is to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and that name is Jesus as demonstrated by the Apostles. Jesus never told is to use the Trinitarian phrase Father, Son, and Holy Spirit when baptizing people. It is not about right or wrong it is about truth, to which you seem to care more about your doctrine than scripture.
 
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You have called a direct command from God Himself a "doctrine of men". What more is there to say really? You have absolutely no interest in finding the truth. You just want to be right.


I think if we looked at the context of OrthodoxyUSA's post, he may have been meaning something different than what you are talking about in this thread...


How well are you reading the post? Or are you?
 
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These 3 church fathers are quoting Mathew 28:19 not suggesting that we should ignore the precedent giving to us by the 12 Apostles in the book of Acts. The Apostles baptized in Jesus name and that is how it should be done. The Trinitarian formula was added later by men, who were either deliberately trying to push their trinitarian agenda or had misunderstood the meaning of Matthew 28:19
 
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So the name Jesus encompasses the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Is that what you're trying to sell us on now? Quite frankly that borders on the "Oneness" heresy.
 
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And what do you make of this?
 
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SIDE NOTE: "Jesus Only" Pentecostals (United Pentecostal Church Int'l.) comprise a very small percentage of all Pentecostals.
 
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And those scriptures tell us to baptize in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, not with the formula trinitarians came up with decades later.

The formula is IN THE SCRIPTURES as has been pointed out multiple times now. It did not just pop up out of the thin air decades later.
 
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ezek33, the irony of your argument is just too much. In the scripture we have two things going on. A direct commandment from God to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and then the actions of the apostles which you think you understand. Basically, you're saying that because you think the apostles did it differently than they were commanded to that the commandment given is of no affect. You then accuse anyone following proper practice of going by the traditions of men.

Like I said before, when common sense and contextual reading are treated as enemies, there can be no fruitful discussion. I'm done with this thread.
 
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The formula is IN THE SCRIPTURES as has been pointed out multiple times now. It did not just pop up out of the thin air decades later.
And I have pointed out to you that either you believe the Apostles disobeyed this direct command and baptized all the early church converts incorrectly or you have misunderstood what the commandment of God really was.
 
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