Tribulation Survival

[superlativecritic]

I think we should start up a long thread about survival tactics for the tribulation. I've been reading up on this, and I am fairly convinced that there will be no pre-trib rapture based on Matthew 24:21-22, and the fact that the resurrection of the dead saints is a pre-cursor to the rapture, and the resurrection happens when Christ returns at the end of the tribulation.

Anyhow, there are many survival tips for terrorism etc. but none for the tribulation which is supposed to be worse than anything in the whole of history. So if we watch some WW2 movies, on what the Jews did to survive - supposedly that's a walk in the park compared to what we will experience.

I think it's important right now to start thinking how we are going to protect and provide for our families. Some say that a generation is about 52 years, and since the capture of Jerusalem happened in 1967, that makes the timing of the coming of Christ around 2019 - which seems to be a date that many people are guessing (a range from 2017 - 2024) so if we subtract 7 years of tribulation, that means the tribulation should start around 2012.

I'm concerned for my young family, so if we can begin discussing how to deal with shelter, food, money, self-defense etc. that would be good.

Please do not contribute to this thread to argue about post-trib or pre-trib, or whether you should or should not prepare. This thread is all about preparation strategies and so it would be good to keep the thread focused so it can be a resource for those who do want to prepare.

Thanks.

 

[Mess]

I believe in the Pre-trib rapture, but I wouldn't be too concerned about trib survival tips. Why would we worry about that? Even if we have to go through the trib, again doubtful, then surely God wouldn't forsake us. As long as he is with us, we need not worry. Also on timing, which I'm no fan off, others say the start date was the rebirth of the nation of Israel, and say a generation is about 70years, so that would give us 2018. Anyway, there will be so much going on during the trib I don't see much hope for surviving anyway, and who cares, if you die you go home, if you survive you have to go through 7years of incredible hardship. We need to worry about the now, now that there is still time to work.

 

[superlativecritic]

Kindly remove your post. Please do not hijack this thread. This thread is about discussing tribulation survival strategies, not for arguing post-trib vs pre-trib or why you should "wing it" during the tribulation.

There's very few discussions about actual survival strategies, but plenty of threads arguing about it - so you have plenty other threads to contribute to.

Thanks.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Well, if you don't understand the scriptures and seek Him, fear of what is coming will make you start threads like these.

God's advice for those who are here is this:

REv 13:10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

In fact, those who are not born of the Spirit at the end of the nearly 2000 year tribulation we've been in since the desolation of Israel can expect to be imprisoned or have their head cut off.

Don't expect there to be pockets of resistance as in the movies. Every human being will be forced to choose because that is the point of that time period.

 

[the.Sheepdog]

Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes?

So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.” (Matt. 6:25, 31-33)

 

[zeke37]

I think we should start up a long thread about survival tactics for the tribulation.

pray, trust God, and try to prepare/storehouse food and supplies
for a 5 month period, the shortened time for the elect's sake(Rev9)

I've been reading up on this, and I am fairly convinced that there will be no pre-trib rapture based on Matthew 24:21-22, and the fact that the resurrection of the dead saints is a pre-cursor to the rapture, and the resurrection happens when Christ returns at the end of the tribulation.

you are correct...
many, many more scriptures support post trib, not pre trib

Anyhow, there are many survival tips for terrorism etc. but none for the tribulation which is supposed to be worse than anything in the whole of history. So if we watch some WW2 movies, on what the Jews did to survive - supposedly that's a walk in the park compared to what we will experience.

no...the end times, for us Christians, will be a big church time...
Satan will pretend to be Jesus Christ returned, and seduce most of the world,
including most all Christians

turning them from virgins in waiting (2Cor11) for the Wedding
into harlots (with child/giving suck) for Satan's fasle lamb role

I think it's important right now to start thinking how we are going to protect and provide for our families. Some say that a generation is about 52 years, and since the capture of Jerusalem happened in 1967, that makes the timing of the coming of Christ around 2019 - which seems to be a date that many people are guessing (a range from 2017 - 2024) so if we subtract 7 years of tribulation, that means the tribulation should start around 2012.

many folks use the 1948 starting date, and a 70 year generation,
which does not have to be totally completed before Christ's return,
the last generation will see all these signs.

I'm concerned for my young family, so if we can begin discussing how to deal with shelter, food, money, self-defense etc. that would be good.

again, just trust in God and recognize the signs of the times...
and DO NOT SPEND THE NWO CURRENCY when it comes....
that's part of the mark of the beast

barter/trade and storehouse supplies instead...

Please do not contribute to this thread to argue about post-trib or pre-trib, or whether you should or should not prepare. This thread is all about preparation strategies and so it would be good to keep the thread focused so it can be a resource for those who do want to prepare.

Thanks.

pre trib doesn't think we will be here...
so I do not know what good their opinions would be anyway, honestly

 

[superlativecritic]

Well, if you don't understand the scriptures and seek Him, fear of what is coming will make you start threads like these.

Okay imagine if Noah had taken your advice.

"Nope. Sorry. I ain't gonna build no boat. I know a big honkin flood is coming but I trust God to supply all my needs".

*flood comes, everyone dies, Noah goes to heaven*

"God - I thought you would supply all my needs!"

"Noah - I told you there would be a big flood ya big dope."

So I repeat: if you don't believe in post-trib - don't contribute to this thread.

This is for people to suggest strategies for surviving the tribulation given what we think will happen. Thanks!!!

 

[ivebeenshown]

Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes?

So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.” (Matt. 6:25, 31-33)

God gave Noah the command to build the boat, as Jesus gave us the command to not worry about our life -- what we will eat, drink, or wear.

Matthew 24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

- Flee into the mountains.
- Do not look back for anything, as did Lot's wife.
- Pray that it doesn't happen in the winter or on the day of rest.

There, all the survival instructions we need. And though I will not place myself into a "theological camp", I do believe God's gathering of His people occurs IN tribulation, JUST BEFORE God's wrath.

 

[NightHawkeye]

*flood comes, everyone dies, Noah goes to heaven*

"God - I thought you would supply all my needs!"

"Noah - I told you there would be a big flood ya big dope."

LOL. Excellent rebuttal, Superlativecritic.

It's a common human failing though to want the easy way out without having to work for it. Mea culpa, too.

 

[NightHawkeye]

A couple of easy, inexpensive things one can do are:
1. Store water: the best way I've heard is to use a garbage can. Line it with a large plastic bag, then seal the bag. Apparently, this stores good drinking water for 6 months to a year. Remember, water is the most critical immediate commodity in an emergency.
2. Store food: the least expensive food I know of is 50 pound bags of rice. Rice stores well and costs less than $20 for 50 pounds at Sam's club.

Everything else is gravy. Rice and water alone will keep you going a long time.

 

[Bob Jones Student]

Find good, remote places out in the wilderness - buy a tent, get camoflauge gear. Camoflauge everything - make sure the satellites and the unmanned drones cannot get pictures of you.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Okay imagine if Noah had taken your advice.

"Nope. Sorry. I ain't gonna build no boat. I know a big honkin flood is coming but I trust God to supply all my needs".

*flood comes, everyone dies, Noah goes to heaven*

"God - I thought you would supply all my needs!"

"Noah - I told you there would be a big flood ya big dope."

So I repeat: if you don't believe in post-trib - don't contribute to this thread.

This is for people to suggest strategies for surviving the tribulation given what we think will happen. Thanks!!!

We've been in the great tribulation for 2000 years....wars, famines, plagues, pestilence, persecution and martyrdom. What MORE can be done to us?

I am POST-trib as far as the timing of the rapture goes because we've been standing in it for nearly 2000 years, since the desolation of Israel, according to Jesus in Matt 24.

It is the time of WRATH we are not appointed to suffer. It is the time of WRATH that comes the very next moment after WE are standing in heaven having come out of this great tribulation. (Rev 7).

The time of wrath is what FORCES people who weren't ready to go with Christ to choose. You either take the mark and worship the beast or you die/go to prison. That's it. There's no duck and cover from the anti-christ because God is USING him to force people to choose.

 

[zeke37]

We've been in the great tribulation for 2000 years....wars, famines, plagues, pestilence, persecution and martyrdom. What MORE can be done to us?

I am POST-trib as far as the timing of the rapture goes because we've been standing in it for nearly 2000 years, since the desolation of Israel, according to Jesus in Matt 24.

I love you Jen,
but
no you are not post trib.
unless by your very own definition of post trib...

no other post tribber here would confirm you being a post tribber



the letters to the church are the tribulation,
ending with declarations of who overomes/gathered in each church type

the seals are the tribulation,
ending with the sealed ones and the gathered ones, in victory in Rev7

the trumps are the tribulation,
ending with the 7th trump and Christ's Coming/gathering
of the two witnesses and subsequent declaration.

Rev10-14 are the tribulation,
ending with Christ and the gathered ones in one place,
and the judgement on the rest....

the vials of wrath are also the tribulation
(I had changed my position on that recently,
as I thot they were post trib......
however they end with Christ coming at Armageddon...)

the fall of Babylon is also in the tribulation,
ending with Christ coming in Rev19

It is the time of WRATH we are not appointed to suffer.

the "faithfull" Christians are not subject to God's wrath,
and the wrath is poured on the rest...
even if the faithfull are still right here on earth,

protected from Satan's wrath if you are faithfull till the end,
and not subject to God's wrath no matter where you are, again, if you are faithfull till the end

we are here for the seals and the trumps and the rest....


and we are all right here on earth...either with Christ or not with Him
if you are with Him, His wrath won't hurt you at all.

It is the time of WRATH that comes the very next moment after WE are standing in heaven having come out of this great tribulation. (Rev 7).

not so...that is the trumps or tribulation,
one of the many times we see the repeating pattern
as the seals were

The time of wrath is what FORCES people who weren't ready to go with Christ to choose. You either take the mark and worship the beast or you die/go to prison. That's it. There's no duck and cover from the anti-christ because God is USING him to force people to choose.

[/quote]
no Jen, that is the tribulation....
that tribulation is SATAN's wrath.......(Rev12)

God's wrath is MUCH WORSE, albeit, apparently in the end of the same period of time...hence Joel makes sense with Rev12


12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

seriously Jen!

 

[superlativecritic]

Okay guys - I know what you're saying, but this thread isn't a place to argue which trib you personally believe in, otherwise it will be full of arguments and there are plenty of other threads for that. This thread is specifically for people who believe in post-trib to share trib survival strategies. This thread will never achieve its objective if people just come here to argue their point of view.

Thanks.

 

[ivebeenshown]

I am here to argue my point of view -- which is obeying the words of my Lord Jesus Christ. We should not worry about what to eat, drink or wear.