Tribulation physics

[Jamin4422]

Is that all you have to say?

Yes, that is all I have to say. You make the rules so follow your own rules. I am not going to play this double standard.

 

[The Engineer]

Yes, that is all I have to say. You make the rules so follow your own rules. I am not going to play this double standard.

What rules are you even talking about?

I never dismissed any creationist claim just because it was against scientific consensus. I dismissed them because the claims themselves were ridiculous.

An argument by authority is a formal fallacy.

And you ignored pretty much my whole post. No thanks for that.

 

[Jamin4422]

What rules are you even talking about?

If a Phd in Science is qualified as an expert, then a Phd in Religion or Theology is qualified as an expert.

I doubt they ever seriously studied whether Jesus existence was a fact or not.

That is like saying I doubt if a person with a Phd in Biology ever studied Biology or knows anything about Biology.

I dismissed them because claims themselves were ridiculous.

What is "ridiculous" is your claims. Your just passing judgement on yourself. God only gives it to you to examine your own heart and then your trying to project that out on others because you do not want to have to deal with it in yourself.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If a Phd in Science is qualified as an expert, then a Phd in Religion or Theology is qualified as an expert.

An expert in what? God?

you're willing to concede that there are people out there (some of whom disagree with you, btw) who know God better than you do?

Perhaps even -- dare I say it? -- that they have the Mind of Christ and perhaps you still need to work on it?

 

[The Engineer]

If a Phd in Science is qualified as an expert, then a Phd in Religion or Theology is qualified as an expert.

Expertise is worthless if your claims are nonsensical! How often do I have to repeat it until you get it?

That is like saying I doubt if a person with a Phd in Biology ever studied Biology or knows anything about Biology.

No, it's not! I don't doubt that theologists studied theology, I merely doubt that their claims make sense, and I do not accept their opinion as a fact until I get an explanation for their opinion!

What is "ridiculous" is your claims. Your just passing judgement on yourself. God only gives it to you to examine your own heart and then your trying to project that out on others because you do not want to have to deal with it in yourself.

Yeah, God. There is no God, and I'm not projecting anything on you.

 

[Jamin4422]

Expertise is worthless if your claims are nonsensical! How often do I have to repeat it until you get it?

I think you need to reset the circuit, you seem to have blown a fuse. Your the one that does not get it, which means we have a breakdown in communication.

 

[The Engineer]

I think you need to reset the circuit, you seem to have blown a fuse. Your the one that does not get it, which means we have a breakdown in communication.

Whatever. I'm not getting paid for arguing with ̶w̶̶a̶̶l̶̶l̶̶s̶ you.

 

[Tiberius]

I think you need to reset the circuit, you seem to have blown a fuse. Your the one that does not get it, which means we have a breakdown in communication.

A question...

When we look at experts in a particular field of science, then they all tend to agree with each other. Cosmologists all agree on what the composition of a particular star is, for example.

But when we look at experts on religion, there are so many different ideas. If they are all experts on religion, how can they all be so different? How can so many different ideas all be true and correct?

 

[Jamin4422]

When we look at experts in a particular field of science, then they all tend to agree with each other.

Yes, that is a valid point, that not all denominations agree. They tend to range from conservative to liberal. In this case I was talking about the Catholic Church. Usually people quote the Catholic Church because their approach is so balanced. For example what does the Pope have to say about evolution: "[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]there is much scientific proof to support evolution, the theory could not exclude a role by God."[/FONT]

 

[Tiberius]

Yes, that is a valid point, that not all denominations agree. They tend to range from conservative to liberal. In this case I was talking about the Catholic Church. Usually people quote the Catholic Church because their approach is so balanced. For example what does the Pope have to say about evolution: "[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]there is much scientific proof to support evolution, the theory could not exclude a role by God."[/FONT]

I'm not just talking about that. Experts of all different religions tend to say that the religion they are a member of is correct, not just different sects of Christianity.

And regarding that quote, it sure sounds like the God of the gaps to me.

 

[dad]

Again, shows that you have no idea. Scientists don't deny spiritual things for no reason, they simply have no way of testing them.

Total blindness and ignorance then is the reason. OK.

You assume the same state past and future, too.

No. Actually, I sure don't.

If I may repeat my question: What makes your assumption of future consistency better than the scientific assumption of future consistency?

Well what makes the book of Daniel better prophesy than anything you could ever hope for? It sure talks of a future that is different. It also foretold the main kingdoms of the world that affect Jerusalem area. This state is not consistent with the future or past.I'm waiting. Still.[/quote]

 

[dad]

A question...

When we look at experts in a particular field of science, then they all tend to agree with each other. Cosmologists all agree on what the composition of a particular star is, for example.

But when we look at experts on religion, there are so many different ideas. If they are all experts on religion, how can they all be so different? How can so many different ideas all be true and correct?

I see you say you defeated Dad. Did you shoot Jesse James too?

 

[dad]

That's ridiculous. Unless science has stated that it CAN predict earthquakes ahead of time with 100% accuracy, this is a ridiculous claim.

it's like saying, "I think science should be able to do such-and-such. It hasn't done such-and-such. Therefore I am going to sue."

Utter stupidity.

Hey don't blame me. Yet one can see how the pretentious ignorant braggarts ought to be taken to task, when exposed as being know nothing after all, no?

It's like me saying I'm going to sue God because the Bible says I should be able to move mountains by prayer, as long as I have faith at least as much as a mustard seed.

False. Are you a believer? If not expect to move no mountains.

 

[dad]

You do realise that I could sue God but I highly doubt he will appear in court!

Or they might send the men in white suits for trying?

 

[mzungu]

Or they might send the men in white suits for trying?

Are you implying that anyone wishing to sue God will be considered a lunatic? Why? Is it because only a lunatic will want to sue a NON existent being?

 

[Tiberius]

Hey don't blame me. Yet one can see how the pretentious ignorant braggarts ought to be taken to task, when exposed as being know nothing after all, no?

Your ideas about science are so wrong that I can't possibly take you seriously.

False. Are you a believer? If not expect to move no mountains.

I assume that you are a believer, even if I am not. Please, move a mountain for me.

 

[Tiberius]

I see you say you defeated Dad. Did you shoot Jesse James too?

This has absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying. Although I've come to expect that from you.

 

[The Engineer]

Total blindness and ignorance then is the reason. OK.

No, it isn't. It's just that scientists are smart enough to know that goddidit doesn't suffice for an explanation.

No. Actually, I sure don't.

You do it. You plan for the future. Every time you click on the post button, you assume that the future will be the same, and that the post will arrive. Scientists do the same. Why is it okay for you to do this, but not for scientists?

Well what makes the book of Daniel better prophesy than anything you could ever hope for?

I don't know. I suggest you tell me.

It sure talks of a future that is different. It also foretold the main kingdoms of the world that affect Jerusalem area. This state is not consistent with the future or past.I'm waiting. Still.[/quote][/quote]
Can you please post the prophecies, instead of just talking about them? I don't have the time to check the entire book of Daniel to see what the prophecies predicted, and whether it came true.

 

[dad]

Are you implying that anyone wishing to sue God will be considered a lunatic? Why? Is it because only a lunatic will want to sue a NON existent being?

Well, there are many reasons it is less than a sound notion. How would you collect the settlement from God, even if you had some possessed judge rule in your favor? Got a jail ready for the Almighty? Who you gonna send to knock out Michael and friends to get to Him?

An ant would have a better chance of purchasing a mansion in a bidding war with pop stars than you would.

 

[dad]

Your ideas about science are so wrong that I can't possibly take you seriously.

Science is a little lying lunatic cult with an oversize ego.

I assume that you are a believer, even if I am not. Please, move a mountain for me.

All mountains will soon be moved, relax. There will be believers in the final time that have power to control nature. Calling fire down from the sky, maybe even having a mountain move and destroy some army that is coming to kill them. Who knows how God will allow people of faith to have their faith grow as a mustard seed in time?


Daniel was tossed into a hot fire, but didn't even smell of smoke when he walked out. Peter walked on water. Philip one day found his body on the other side of a sea apparently. Jesus had a fish come to the shore with a gold coin, to pay taxes. The earth opened up and wicked people sank into the hole near Sinai. The sea parted and God's people walked through on nice dry land.

Faith grows over time, and, like heaven, is something that all believers can look forward to a lot more of. Yes, mountains can be moved, and will be. Every one of them.