Tribulation physics

[TLK Valentine]

Qualified for what? Just what makes up the Church or the Body of Christ is a VERY BASIC teaching. It is really not all that difficult to understand. We could go over some of the basic teachings on this if you want.

You haven't said much concerning VERY BASIC teachings thus far -- just a lot of blather about how everyone else is wrong about... well, everything.

 

[TLK Valentine]

These people are the Phds, they are the experts. It's absurd to come here and demand we listen to the experts in Biology but disregard the experts in Religion and the Bible. That is a double standard.

Phds and experts in theology -- a course of study they themselves invented.

besides, it's not as though you pay a whole lot of attention to the biologists in the first place.

 

[Tiberius]

This is simply based on truth. The field of study is not important. If you know God then you know truth. If you do not know God, then you do not know truth. I could give you all the Bible references and quotes, but I do not think that is the issue here. Actually to know God means to be born again and to have the Divine Mind of God. I do not know how much you want to go into this. There is lots and lots to learn about what is true and how we can know we abide in the truth. Like many things in life this takes years to learn and study.

Once again, please give a specific example.

 

[Jamin4422]

just a lot of blather

I was under the impression that the use of this word, in and of itself constitutes an insult.

 

[Jamin4422]

Once again, please give a specific example.

Ok, lets start with love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. These are actually the fruit of the Holy Spirit of God in us, but this is a good place to start.

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

The Bible says: "Let this mind be in you". Then you can see a few of the things that makes up the mind of Christ. For example: "no reputation", a servant, humble, obedient and so on. These are a few of the qualities that make up the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God.

 

[Jamin4422]

Phds and experts in theology -- a course of study they themselves invented.

The Bible comes from God, even though God works though man. Even Biologists can only study what God has given to them to study. All wisdom, knowledge and understanding comes from God. All that is good, proper and true.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Ok, lets start with love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. These are actually the fruit of the Holy Spirit of God in us, but this is a good place to start.

I've seen plenty of non-Christians practice these things, and plenty of Christians do without. Care to try your luck again?

 

[TLK Valentine]

The Bible comes from God,

Floated down from heaven with His ink still wet on the last page, did it?

 

[Jamin4422]

Floated down from heaven with His ink still wet on the last page, did it?

God has no problem to engrave in stone, fossils for example. Although ink does tend to be a bit more advanced.

 

[Jamin4422]

I've seen plenty of non-Christians practice these things,

Then perhaps you do not know the difference between a counterfeit and the real thing. But if what you say is true then you should be able to package it up and sell it. So the whole world could be filled with Love, Joy and Peace.

 

[dad]

My religion says Jesus wasn't God. You aren't a PHD in this religion so you better not disagree. Yay, religioulus logic.

Find someone who cares what your religion says. The bible is something that carries weight.

 

[dad]

Unsupported claim, citation needed.

Predicting the future in a real way.

Please give me an example of any scientific principle that requires the presence of a God of any kind in order for it to work.

Name three scientific principles? We can take a look at it.

Seems to me we could use..

1)assume a same state past

2)assume a same state future

3)deny all things spiritual and historical and biblical

 

[Tiberius]

Mt 11:27 -All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Joh 6:37 - All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Quoting from an old book doesn't prove God.

If I quote from Aesop's Fables, will that prove that animals can talk?

 

[Tiberius]

If they could predict quakes that might be a small start. If they predicted the big shake soon, where all islands will move out of where they now are and all mountains flattened, they might have a clue. They have no ability to predict because they have no clue outside of some pitiful present state little residual movement of plates, etc. Therefore their predictive powers hardly rival Daffy Duck's.
'gee we really have it nailed, except we have no clue at all'. OK.

Once again your ignorance is mind boggling.

When science doesn't fit your ridiculous notions of what it should be, you throw it out the window.

 

[dad]

Quoting from an old book doesn't prove God.

If I quote from Aesop's Fables, will that prove that animals can talk?

It was not meant as proof. It was meant as pointing to what Jesus said on the issue that the poster raised.

 

[dad]

Once again your ignorance is mind boggling.

When science doesn't fit your ridiculous notions of what it should be, you throw it out the window.

Actually the Italians are suing the seismo gurus for not predicting a quake I think, according to recent news. I don't feel sorry for them. Unless you start knowing what you are talking about it ain't me with the ridiculous notions.

How does this address the prediction in the bible of super seismic activity?

 

[The Engineer]

Actually that is not in your department. So it is really not anything your qualified to have an opinion on.

Is that all you have to say? "You're not qualified, therefore your arguments don't matter"? And this comes from the same person who thinks that he has something to say on scientific matters?

Next time, attack my message, not me. What you did was a formal fallacy.

The people in the Catholic Church have studied all of that for Thousands of years and they are much better qualified to decide what is and what is not.

They are biased, in case you didn't notice, so I doubt they ever seriously studied whether Jesus existence was a fact or not.

Historians have studied his existence, too, and some of them think he doesn't exist. For a person that's as important as Jesus, there sure aren't many sources that mention his existence in the first place.

These people are the Phds, they are the experts. It's absurd to come here and demand we listen to the experts in Biology but disregard the experts in Religion and the Bible. That is a double standard.

Biology, like every natural science, adheres to objective standards by which we can measure whether a scientific explanation makes sense or not. We don't listen to the experts just because they are experts, but because their explanations make the most sense.

I deliberately used the word explanation, not opinion. If a biologist told me the human mind was located in the heart, I would ask for an explanation; if he couldn't give me one, I would laugh him off.

Now, tell me, what's the explanation of the church regarding the existence of Jesus? I don't care what the church thinks, I want to know how they justify it.

I was under the impression that the use of this word, in and of itself constitutes an insult.

Who cares? No one cares! I suggest you stop blabbering and give me the evidence for your claims!

Ok, lets start with love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. These are actually the fruit of the Holy Spirit of God in us, but this is a good place to start.

How do those things prove God, if I may ask?

The Bible comes from God, even though God works though man. Even Biologists can only study what God has given to them to study. All wisdom, knowledge and understanding comes from God. All that is good, proper and true.

Biologists studied what God has given them, and arrived at the conclusion that evolution is false, based on what he has given them?

By the way, what you just said has no relevance to this topic whatsoever.

Then perhaps you do not know the difference between a counterfeit and the real thing.

So atheists are incapable of love and wisdom? How is that not an insult?

But if what you say is true then you should be able to package it up and sell it. So the whole world could be filled with Love, Joy and Peace.

Can you give me a packet of love?

What are you even talking about?

God has no problem to engrave in stone, fossils for example. Although ink does tend to be a bit more advanced.

Why didn't he just upload it into our brains, so we would not be dependent on his book?

Predicting the future in a real way.
Name three scientific principles? We can take a look at it.

Seems to me we could use..

1)assume a same state past

2)assume a same state future

3)deny all things spiritual and historical and biblical

Again, shows that you have no idea. Scientists don't deny spiritual things for no reason, they simply have no way of testing them.

You assume the same state past and future, too.

If I may repeat my question: What makes your assumption of future consistency better than the scientific assumption of future consistency?

I'm waiting. Still.

 

[Tiberius]

Actually the Italians are suing the seismo gurus for not predicting a quake I think, according to recent news. I don't feel sorry for them. Unless you start knowing what you are talking about it ain't me with the ridiculous notions.

How does this address the prediction in the bible of super seismic activity?

That's ridiculous. Unless science has stated that it CAN predict earthquakes ahead of time with 100% accuracy, this is a ridiculous claim.

it's like saying, "I think science should be able to do such-and-such. It hasn't done such-and-such. Therefore I am going to sue."

Utter stupidity.

It's like me saying I'm going to sue God because the Bible says I should be able to move mountains by prayer, as long as I have faith at least as much as a mustard seed.

 

[Tiberius]

It was not meant as proof. It was meant as pointing to what Jesus said on the issue that the poster raised.

Still just a story.

 

[mzungu]

Actually the Italians are suing the seismo gurus for not predicting a quake I think, according to recent news. I don't feel sorry for them. Unless you start knowing what you are talking about it ain't me with the ridiculous notions.

How does this address the prediction in the bible of super seismic activity?

You do realise that I could sue God but I highly doubt he will appear in court!